Posted by: Michael James () on Sun Oct 31 06:55:36 2004

Interesting stuff guys but still unanswered responses on identifying specifics in THT.
> Yeah there is a lot of questions here but that is only because many questions still remain on THT that none of you have yet to definetively answer.
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> This response from Bert in my reference to TV announcers discussing Bellhorn’s improved swing:
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> “And don't talk about the TV commentators not mentioning tht. These commentators are from the ‘old school’ (linear), they played in another era before Jack came along.”
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> Bert- the announcers were sharing the feedback they received from and were giving credit to, the Red Sox hitting coach who is from “TODAY’S” era. That coach didn’t mention THT in helping Bellhorn with creating more power in his swing? That coach of the “current” 2004 World Champs only stated he taught Bellhorn to bring his hands back (load up) which as I REPEAT…any player can do without necessarily applying THT. You nor anyone else on this site can argue that the act/movement of bringing the hands back “can be” accomplished by means other than THT. So the question remains?
> What do you, Marty, The Pro Scout or any poster “see” that definitively tells you it is absolutely THT being applied instead of another absolute action?
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> From Marty:
> “My coach says ‘good top hand torque stops good pitching’.” Please have your coach come on board and explain how THT helps a hitter “outsmart” a pitcher? THT may improve the power of a swing via increased batspeed, but THT in and of itself, does NOT beat better, smarter pitching (period). Proof of that is we know even the poster boys you mention on this site for THT strike out. If a hitter applied absolute THT and still missed the pitch ...why did that happen? Pssst...they got fooled/outsmarted by the pitcher. It had nothing to do with THT.
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> From Coach Wills:
> “This is a settled issue, at least in my neck of the woods. I don't know who Teacherman or his credentials but in the league I coach in, rotational mechanics such as tht & chp rule. Teacherman, come out to Waco sometime and we'll give you a good demonstration of top hand torque.”
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> Coach Wills, forget the demo, tell me what you “see” that absolutely proves “hands coming back and hands staying back” is ONLY from THT being applied and NOT some other action that can demo the same thing? If you can’t come back and state your case then ”nothing is settled on THT”. Rotational mechanics are settled as the best mechanics for a swing and you should have stopped there.
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> Ralph- do your Pro MLB teams/coaches specifically ask that you look for prospects demonstrating THT or do they simply stress the importance of batspeed and rotational mechanics.
> Because you can “see” CHP, and proper rotational mechanics and NOT know it is being applied by THT. Yes, we have “heard” from you as a pro scout but you have not demonstrated as a Pro Scout how you “see” THT is being applied by your prospects? You believing increased batspeed is generated via THT/BHT is your prerogative. Nobody owes you or Jack an apology for their prerogative. You didn’t convince me via your response that it is an absolute you can report on, only that you believe THT is the cause of great batspeed. Maybe you can copy & paste to this site some of your written scout evals to show us where you substantiate and evaluate that THT is being applied by one of your prospects. Can your eval be fool proof to ensure what you believe isn’t really some other action other than THT?
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> Hey guys, if THT is that well know in MLB coaching circles why aren't we lay folks involved in baseball hearing about it except on this site? Why the hush hush? Why wouldn't announcers and Hitting coaches mention it if it out there all over the profession?
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> Again, name one, two, ANY MLB Hitting instructors (NOT SCOUTS who believe in it but have yet to define how they see it either) but tell me/us the ACTUAL Pro MLB coaches who are teaching and using the phrase THT and its principles to support your stances. If and when you name these MLB coaches that are telling their scouts to “look for THT” prospects, please have them also provide “their” definitive to demonstrate they “see” THT being applied. Let them answer for me the absolutes they “see” to endorse THT is the mechanic, and, that it is not some other action that separates the top half from bottom half and yes, the great hitters from the average hitters.
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> If any of you agree it is more “feel than see” then how can you come on this site and state so emphatically that Pujols, Rolen and apparently the entire Cardinal team either forgot or failed to use THT? Were you "feeling" their swings?
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> Beating a dead horse? Broken record?
> Maybe but...You can pull up any number of post on this site where Jack and or one of you can pinpoint a proper mechanic or flaw we can “see”. I.E. elbow in the slot, palms up/down on contact, flexion/extension of arms legs, front side firm up, heel drop etc.. These are all movements we can “see” and thus draw a conclusion from. None of you seem to be able to verbally do the same with THT. Just saying the hands are coming back does not prove THT is the cause. Yes, it can be one way to bring the top half back but is it the ONLY way? Yes or No?
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> When you can finally provide a visual we can see with THT to prove it is the only way then and only then will all of you THT proponents, be able to move away from this argument and “conclusively” promote THT. We will then all be able to say “see it...there it is...right there!”
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> Until then I find it ridiculous to ask and expect an apology just because someone else doesn't believe in the same theory that you do.
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Jim, I won't speak for the other scouts, but I, as a scout and hitting instructor for an American League team can speak for myself and the organization I represent. It's quite simple: we look for hitters with power and we view rotational mechanics such as top hand torque and the circular hand path as the key components of rotational mechanics.
I will not debate the pros and cons (if any "cons" exist) of these principles because I work for my organization, not for you. Now, if you ever get signed by my organization and our paths cross, certainly I will do my job to provide you with quality instruction on how to execute rotational principles.
The question may arise as to why a scout would even visit an internet site. Again, speaking for myself only, I encounter many hitters who have potential. They have survived throughout high school and college on linear mechanics. My job is to prepare them for the Major Leagues (this is where top hand torque, bottom hand torque and circular hand path come in).Part of me understanding where these misguided hitters acquired these hitting deficiencies involves me needing to research the sources of these misguided principles (throw hands to ball, knob to ball, fence drill and other linear notions). Of course,some of these sources happen to be on the internet.
My suggestion to you is that if your agenda is to seek "truth" the direction of the future of pro hitters is top hand torque, circular hand path, etc. Of course, is your agenda is to defend linear principles & want to pick a fight with a "pro-rotationist", I don't get paid by you or anyone else to do that, I get paid to find, sign and instruct prospects.