Posted by: Jack Mankin (mrbatspeed@aol.com) on Tue Feb 17 00:48:36 2004

>>> You might be right on this one, when one applies it literally. The reason I use the elbows this way in the fence drill is so that hitters can "feel" the effect of a tight, circular path. However, if this "cue" allows a person to attain "results," and correct a problem via overcompensation, does it really matter what "cue" a person uses to attain the proper biomechanical results. I believe this is what Mad Max (on Paul Nyman's site) is referring to when he discusses cues vs. reality. I am not a Setpro regular, but did read that article.

As a sidebar, if you want to know where my cues for hip rotation were derived, visit the 12th page of the Mike Epstein forum. Scroll down approximately 20 topics (many containing their own threads), until you find a subject posted by John Abreu (on Mar-14-02) called "Stance." Under the head topic listic, scroll down about five threads to Mike's response on "Stance" (on Jun-12-02), where he responds to a poster named Greggie. Read the brief instruction Mike gives to a coach who needs to use his backside proactively because the hips do not turn when the front heel drops. Then, tell me why you think these cues are "bad." Perhaps you will discover that rotating the heel--rotating the bat head works for some individuals in rotating around a stationary axis, but Mike's "cues" are also valid. <<<

Hi BHL

While reading your statement, I could not help but wonder what response you would get from Paul Nyman or Mike Epstien if you went to their sites and asked to have an open forum (like we have at Batspeed.com) to compare Jack Mankin’s batting principles to theirs.

Personally, I think it takes a lot of gall for someone to come to this site to promote someone else’s theories when neither Mike nor Paul will allow dissenting views on their own sites, at least not in an open forum. I have often told myself that if I can’t take the heat - I should get out of the kitchen. Well, they basically preach to the choir from behind closed doors. – Sorry, but I had to get that off my chest.

Jack Mankin