Posted by: Dave A (oxagin@hotmail.com) on Wed Feb 18 20:14:00 2004

Hi BHL
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> > > > > > I used to read the discussions on Mike’s Board. His principles of transfer mechanics were more linear than rotational. It became a “Support Forum” only when he started feeling heat in the kitchen.
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> > > > > Hi Jack,
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> > > > > I don't want to preach Epstein here, but you and he define linear much the same way. You just think his hands following rotation involves linear mechanics. The main difference is he wants the hands to follow the lowerbody. And thinks trying to do something with the upperbody prevents them from following the lower body.
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> > > > > I don't think staying inside the ball, which isn't just inside outing the ball, breaks your principles. It depends on how you look at it.
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> > > > > You often say the batter must bring the hand in toward the shoulder. Why? Why is that important? Is it to harness the rotational forces and momentum? To me that is just another way of staying inside the ball.
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> > > > > I'll let you comment.
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> > > > > Shawn
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> > > > Shawn
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> > > > Couldn't agree more. And I think the difference between Jack's view and ours lies more in interpreting the English language than in hitting fundamentals.
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> > > All I have to say is that the fence drill is absolutely horrible. I used linears drills all my life until I found this site. The night I found it I knew rotational was the way to go. There is no way you can have a CIRCULAR HAND PATH and do the fence drill. Hey BHL have you ever heard of a circular hand path? Well I'm gonna get hypothetical with all of you and lets say that every major leaguer did the fence drill for two hours a day until the first game this year. I believe we would have about 3 perfect games and 100 broken bats within the first 2 weeks. You cannot hit at that level without a circular hand path. Don't give me an example and say ARod doesn't have a CHP because he does.
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> > > It looks like its "staying inside the ball" to the normal eye but in fact it isnt. Which is why we have always taught the fence drill. Look at the Bonds clip from behind and see his hand path and try emulating it in the fence drill. BHL don't go use a 15" tee ball bat and come back and say you can. I suggest you trust someone who has studied the swing more and just doesn't rely on "MLB Experience" as Epstein does to get his word out and influence the masses and therefore MAKE A BIGGER PROFIT. Thanks.
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> > A "circular hand path" and "staying inside the ball" are not mutually exclusive. I have a feeling the words mean different things to us.
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> Teacherman,
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> Why not shoot a little video of your students and show it to us. Will clear up a lot of these semantics problems. BBatter


"mutually exclusive"? can you clarify? That was a pretty vague post and I'm not sure what you mean. But a circular hand path is an essential part of a good swing.