Posted by: Manny () on Sat Oct 16 08:15:08 2004

Someone said they are the same but there are some differences. THT is geared more for hitters who want to be rotational.Bow arch has some elements of rotationalism and some linear elements. For example, the swing starts out like tht, knob toward the catcher, etc. However, the hitter then allows the body to shift forward in a linear manner. This causes the body to not end up rotating around a stationary axis, thus a loss of bat speed ( but some people suggest a gain in accuracy). Flail is your classic linear swing: basically from the beginning of the swing you "throw" out the hands toward the ball, uncomplete shoulder rotation, etc.
> > > I'm not taking sides as to which method is best. I guess it would depend on the hitter. Does he have speed and can beat out a lot of ground balls? His his role to get on base and steal bases? Is his role to knock in runs?
> > > Bonds is an example of a classic tht hitter,Loduca would be a classic bow arch hitter and Ichiro would be a classic flail hitter.
> > > Again, I'm not taking sides, I just wanted to provide useful descriptions of each method. It's hard to discuss different methods if there is disagreement on the terminology.
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> > I can't say much for bow arch, but to flail is a biomechanical description of the swing. I will be posting information on the swing as a flail like action in the future.
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> > A flail-like action has nothing to do with throwing your hands forward at the begining of your swing. It's one way to describe the kinetic chain and the sequential rotation, but it's main purpose is to explain the action of the bat as it's rotated. One book say this "The bat rotates in a flail-like fashion around axes formed by the left shoulder and the batter's wrists"
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> Flail, n. [L. flagellum whip, scourge, in LL., a threshing flail: cf. OF. flael, flaiel, F. fl['e]au. See Flagellum.] 1. An instrument for threshing or beating grain from the ear by hand, consisting of a wooden staff or handle, at the end of which a stouter and shorter pole or club, called a swipe, is so hung as to swing freely.
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Just to clarify, I was using the terminology that Teacherman, Nyman and others have used. I never said that the terms they use are the most descriptive terms of what they mean. I was describing what they mean by flail and bow arch, and if the dictionary meaning of the terms does not match the description of THEIR terms, then THEY are responsible for coming up with a better terminolgy. The whole point of my post is for people to know that tht = rotation, bow arch = some rotation, some linear, and flail = linear, and that, based pn these CONCEPTS (nevermind their faulty terminology) people can bteer evaluate the pros and cons of the different concepts.