Posted by: Rich () on Fri Oct 17 17:43:36 2003

>>> Jack the front shoulder is driven by the hands, whether they go linear or rotational. It's when the front shoulder leads that creates the problems. <<<
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> > > > > Hi Coach C
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> > > > > How far would you say the hands move before they start driving the shoulder?
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> > > > > Jack Mankin
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> > > > > Sounds like a leading question as it's impossible for the hands to physically drive the shoulders. it's exactly the other way around. get out your kinesiology book. end of discussion. next question?
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> > > Geez.....thanks Rich.....I got out my kinesiology book and you are exactly right it's impossible. I'm going to read that book further and see how long it takes for me to ruin my swing......I'm guessing first session.
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> > > The next question for you is this...when you look at Sandman's boy swing....what is right about the swing and what is wrong in your mind.
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> > > Clearly he is hips, shoulders, hands just like the book says...do you agree?
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> > > What sound advice would you have for that boy and everyone else participating in the discussion? Feel free to use your book if you want.
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> > > Coach C
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> > > Coach C,
> > I just reread my post and want to apologize for what seems to me now as a curt last two sentences. what got me involved in this discussion was the reference to lagging hands and quite torso. i like lagging hands, but despise a quite torso. what i really like and teach is a smooth, loose(relaxed as you say) ever accelerating swing.
> > to me lagging the hands is keeping the lead arm barred to the chest. if it's not lagging it's not barred and in turn not connected to power of the torso... i can't view the clip so i can't comment on sandman's son, sorry. i enjoy your calmness and humor, thanks, rich
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> No sweat Rich. it's fun. I too apoligize. As for bat lag and arms connected to the torso, we agree. This is what gives me fast hands.....I always want to feel that my hands are fast, but the hands themselves are loosey, goosey. The looser my grip, the faster my hands. Looser is faster!!!! I'm trying to figure out a way to post one of my clips, so people can evaluate me.
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> Ever notice that in a good pepper player, the hands never roll, there is no need to go past the ball, the only goal is to learn bat angles and catch the ball with the bat. A great swing is an exension of that fundamental in my opinion. I like the heavy bag for feel, but hitting moving objects is baseball and the hands need to be trained the right way. Pepper teaches the hands to work the right way in my opinion.............but no one ever does it, because they think it's boring or they want their kid to just hit far and hard and this is when youngsters get off on the wrong track. Pepper is the baseline for the swing if done properely. Anyway....take care and thanks.
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> Coach C
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> Now back to my kinesiology book............just kidding!!
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> Take care
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> Coach C
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> Coach C
I think i understand what you're trying to convey when you say fast hands(which i think is what concerns many)... is it the hands ability to quickly bring the bathead around thru the strike zone. not necessarily the hands being quick thru the zone. although they will be thru it quickly if connected to the torso. quite torso still has me stumped... come at it from another angle, maybe? regards, rich