Posted by: Jack Mankin (MrBatspeed@aol.com) on Mon Oct 8 15:10:23 2007

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>>> In the 2 plane golf swing AND high level hitting AND high level throwing, the torso coils and uncoils in what is traditionally decribed as a way that Creates a firm front side to keep from "flying open" which is part of the "early batspeed" capability you describe.

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To do this, the body must "wind the rubber band" which means stretching the muscles fromt the feet to the hands in a way that creates late/controllable torso coil.

As hardy explains in golf, This can not be done by actively turning the shoulders becasue this interrupts the desired coil. Nor can the quick controllable stretch happen via "inertia" alone due to the shoulders and hips being separated and in somewhat different turning planes. <<<
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Hi Tom

I have read some of your posts on other sites where you expressed your above views. This may be an area where we may have to agree to disagree.

Before we discuss these differences, it would be helpful if you would clarify a couple more basic issues for me. Unless I have misread your posts, it appeared to me you could be more in agreement with Teacherman’s position on hip and shoulder rotation than mine.

As an example,
Teacherman stated that the energy from hip rotation goes from the hips to the forearms – bypassing the need for shoulder rotation in the swing.

I have stated that the arms/wrist/hands/bat is linked at the shoulders and therefore the value of hip rotation is its contribution to a strong shoulder rotation.

Without referring to the mechanics of golf or pitching (baseball swing only), would you clarify your position on these different views? – Note: This is regarding hip and shou;lder rotation – we can discuss “tilt” later.



Jack Mankin