Posted by: Bart () on Mon Sep 9 12:29:16 2002

Hi
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> > > > Umm when you start with the Inward turn doesn't a little afterwards hips start leading the hands and then you end with a one piece swing when the whole body gets into it..??
> > > Alfred
> > > You are right that the hips do lead the hands, but the shoulders don't become parallel with the hips until after contact.
> > > The Hitman
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> > >>hitman do you have frame by frame video that proves that because mine shows shoulders catching up to hips before or at contact.If you have some I would like to swap pictures with you and we could each look at some new ones.
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> rql-
> I agree with you. Isn't that the point of Epstein's torque position? The shoulders catching up to the hips increases batspeed. Right?

Hitman, the shoulders DO catch up with hips prior to contact. At contact the hips have lost some of their "momemtum" whereas shoulder in nearing "peak" velocity.

I think this is one one the main points of Epstein's "torque position", except the problem with his torque position is that it is a position that happens naturally one frame or so after launch position.It doesn't need to be taught and in fact it is counterproductive.