Posted by: The Hitman (ahsnumber3@aol.com) on Mon Sep 9 17:43:46 2002

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> > > > > > Umm when you start with the Inward turn doesn't a little afterwards hips start leading the hands and then you end with a one piece swing when the whole body gets into it..??
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> > > > > You are right that the hips do lead the hands, but the shoulders don't become parallel with the hips until after contact.
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> > > > >>hitman do you have frame by frame video that proves that because mine shows shoulders catching up to hips before or at contact.If you have some I would like to swap pictures with you and we could each look at some new ones.
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> > > I agree with you. Isn't that the point of Epstein's torque position? The shoulders catching up to the hips increases batspeed. Right?
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> > Hitman, the shoulders DO catch up with hips prior to contact. At contact the hips have lost some of their "momemtum" whereas shoulder in nearing "peak" velocity.
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> > I think this is one one the main points of Epstein's "torque position", except the problem with his torque position is that it is a position that happens naturally one frame or so after launch position.It doesn't need to be taught and in fact it is counterproductive.
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> So both upper and lower body Rotational Mechanics in the long run combine to be a one piece swing prior to contact..so that means both can be combine ?
Hey Rql
Mine shows the shoulders becoming even with the hips 2 frames after contact, and this is Bonds-Giles-Klesko-Berkman
The Hitman