Posted by: grc () on Wed Jun 27 16:48:14 2001

GRC,been on vacation,back at it now.Have'nt read much of Epstein but pinball is good analogy.However we are getting into areas of interpreting what someone says and what they mean.To me in the early part of the swing the knob is facing the ss in rotation and to me the hands are going there also, but do not have to come out of chp.See the hands are facing many directions as they go in a circle and early in the swing they are going towards the ss and then curve at pitcher then 2nd then 1st and finally back at catcher,maybe think of bottom of hands doing the facing.I also think Tim once said his son was too circular and pulling off the ball then he went to a little extension near impact after initial chp to stay on the ball longer and I believe this is what I did.Think of circular with a punch of the top fist towards ss for lefty for the extension and rear elbow tight to body.Epstein is describing pure chp with no extension into the ball,this calls for more precise timing of sweet spot contact I believe.The last dilema is bat arc so early.With your sons linear swing he is coming down further out front,thus a different swing,but with tht,the barrel I think lays down on plane and starts up earlier causing the barrel to be rising earlier up into a late ball contact.The shear strength of these guys today are helping create enough early power for these guys today to reach the wall and beyond as long as they get to develop speed from some chp through that strength and they have the fat part of bat on the center of ball at correct trajectory.




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>hi rql...i hope you had a nice vacation......it's so hard to articulate what i see and think i observe, but i'm going to try and rephrase ......this is what i don't understand about tophand torque/circular hand path on an outside pitch: on an INSIDE pitch, using the tip/top of the bat as a reference point, from launch to contact the bat travels aprox. 6 feet.........only in the last 18 inches or so before contact does the bat start traveling from level to up.....but even with the bat being in the "upswing" only the last 1/4 of the total distance it travels, that 18 inches of upswing seems to be sufficient with plenty of room for error.............but on the outside pitch (assuming that you contact the ball aprox 1 1/2 feet or so deeper in on you)the bat travels only aprox. 4 1/2 feet, and there is little or no "upswing" by the time the bat meets ball.....so an error of only 1 inch or so can mean simply hitting a ground ball.................................but my son, by slightly drawing in the hands, has subconsciously figured out how to develop more "upswing" on the outside pitch, and make the bat path flatter than it would be by using tht/chp......of course the dilemma to this is that what works well for him on the outside pitch does not work well on the inside pitch.......and the easy solution would be for him to swing his usual way on the outside pitch and apply jack's principles on the inside pitch........but....easier said than done.....comments appreciated.....respectfully, grc......