Posted by: WT (frogbacks@yahoo.com) on Wed Dec 22 21:21:30 2004

>>> Hi All
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> >Re: http://www.batspeed.com/messageboard/output/19359.html
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> > I looked at most of the side views shown and found about the same “hands/shoulder relationship as the elbow lowers to the slot and the batters begins to rotate.” I choose Boone (upper right clip) because it gives the largest and clearest view. But whether you look at Jones, Williams, ect., you will see about the same hands/shoulder relationship occurring during the swing.
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> > Jack Mankin
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> Jack,
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> FINALLY, I've got all of you looking at a website were we all can see the same batters at the same angles!
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> I HAVE NOTICED, NOT ONE PLAYER on the SITE(MPEGS, including BOONE) USES YOUR 1) "top-hand pulling backward toward the catcher - "Pre-launch torque")" RE: http://www.batspeed.com/mech03.html
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> 2) "Top-Hand-Torque ("THT" - top hand pulls back toward the catcher, assisted by the back elbow lowering, causing the bat to accelerate toward the catcher in an arc)" RE: http://www.batspeed.com/mech06.html
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> 3) "The back-elbow lowers toward the batter's side (slot) as the batter pulls back with the top-hand (THT), increasing the bat-head speed in an arc toward the catcher."
> RE: http://www.batspeed.com/mech07.html
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> Majority of the PLAYERS SHOWN "SLOT" their ELBOW, There is NO THT! One can see the BLUR OF THE BAT and see how the BAT TRAVELS!
> IT IS NOT TOWARD ANY CATCHER!
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> Jack, Are you suggesting that THT is a more efficient way to achieve bat speed? I've got your DVD and I do not see any MLBers using THT this early in the swing. I see a slotting of the elbow..................NOTICE THE BLURS OF THE BAT!!!!
> IT TELLS YOU WHERE THESE MLBers are BRINGING THERE BAT (ie: BAT DIRECTION) ...... NOT "THT" as you seem to suggest?
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> Now JACK it APPEARS by BAT MOVEMENT that these MLBers are "Slotting" their ELBOW and the bat points toward the on-deck-circle. NOTICE THE BLURS OF THE BAT!!!!
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> The back elbow does not assist when it slots! It seems to be the "pre-start" of torque with the hands once the elbow is SLOTTED! NO THT till elbow is slotted, Watch the Bat Blur (Movement of the bat in the swing)
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> Any insight from You and the board would be greatly appreciated,
> WT
> :)
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> Jack, Are you suggesting that THT is a more efficient way to achieve bat speed? If so, What MLBers on the website are doing "THT" toward catcher? http://www.youthbaseballcoaching.com/swings.html
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> Another link: notice "swing" is singular not plural in address......... http://www.youthbaseballcoaching.com/swing.html shows Mickey Mantle and Pete Rose and then link to all the MPEGS of MLBers <<<
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> Hi WT
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> I have stated many times that the main difference between the average hitter and the great hitters is how they initiate the swing. The average hitter drives the top-hand forward which basically accelerates the knob toward the pitcher with the bat-head trailing behind. The great hitter first accelerates the bat-head back rear-ward or toward the catcher by pulling the top-hand back around the slower moving bottom-hand (and knob).
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> I am looking at a rear view of Barry Bonds – first clip in the second row -
> http://www.youthbaseballcoaching.com/swings.html . You stated above, “There is NO THT! One can see the BLUR OF THE BAT and see how the BAT TRAVELS!
> IT IS NOT TOWARD ANY CATCHER!” – By about frame #16, Barry has brought the bat to where it is directly over his head. From that point, for the next few frames, the bat-head is being accelerated in an arc back toward the catcher.
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> If, after studying the frames, you still feel the bat-head is accelerating forward instead of back toward the catcher, then there is no reason for further dialog. If, on the other hand, you feel the bat-head is being accelerated rearward, then we can discuss the forces Barry’s mechanics are applying that accelerated the bat-head in that direction.
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> Jack Mankin

Hi Jack,

I Do Not Believe the bat-head is accelerating forward never wanted anyone to think that from the discussion!??????

http://www.youthbaseballcoaching.com/swings.html - rear view of Barry Bonds – first clip in the second row

I do NOT see the bat being brought back by the top-hand BUT BY THE SLOTTING OF THE ELBOW. As Bonds brings his ELBOW DOWN INTO THE SLOT, the bat head does ARC BACK toward the catcher but FIRST STARTS from the head, toward the "on-deck-circle" then around to the catcher as his ROTATIONAL(Body)FORCE causes him to do so.

I DO NOT SEE:

1) "top-hand pulling backward toward the catcher"
RE: http://www.batspeed.com/mech03.html

2)top hand pulls back toward the catcher, (assisted???) by the back elbow lowering, causing the bat to accelerate toward the catcher in an arc" RE: http://www.batspeed.com/mech06.html

3) "The back-elbow lowers toward the batter's side (slot) as the batter (pulls back with the top-hand?????), increasing the bat-head speed in an arc toward the catcher."
RE: http://www.batspeed.com/mech07.html

I SEE THE ELBOW SLOTTING and his(BONDS) BODY ROTATING "CAUSING" (NOT ASSISTING) an ARC from the start of the head -to- on deck circle -to- catcher. NOT RE: 1), 2), 3) as written on your website.

WT
:)