Posted by: Doug () on Fri Aug 22 22:10:14 2003

>>> hitman, you miss the point...you seem to be fully convinced that "rotational" hitting, not "linear" is the way to go...i know from your posts in the past that you do not believe in full x-t....but if you were to look at some clips of mantle, ott, and musial, not to mention macgwire & griffey jr, they all made contact at full x-t...some people might sarcastically as "who would in their right mind want to swing like mantle, ott, musial, macgwire and griffey jr"? <<<
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> > > Hi Bart
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> > > I have charted the swings “of mantle, ott, and musial, not to mention macgwire & griffey jr,” many times and their back-arms were not at full extension at contact on pitches from the middle-in. And, they all exhibited good rotational hitting principles. On outside pitches I would agree that their back-arms were past the “L” position but not fully extended. A trace from Ken Griffey Jr.’s contact video frame is what is featured in the “Get Your Arms Extended” article in the “Truism or Fallacy” section. --- Bart, I certainly would not have featured Ken Griffey, Jr’s swing if he exhibited linear mechanics.
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> > > Jack Mankin
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> > >>>dougdinger, Get the films of Williams and then make up your own mind after breaking down his swing. His hitch is a thing of beauty, and Bonds hitch is very similar. Call it whatever you want,but I called it a hitch 35 years ago, and still do. It was the way he started his load. Too many dead start hitters today that need to be on the juice to have any juice.
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> my comments pertained to the last 4 frames before contact, point being that i was not referring to a "hitch", i was referring to the swing itself....again, put the 5 frames of williams side by side other major leaguers and you will see his swing (not hitch) was unorthodox....that doesn't mean it was bad, it just means you have to be consistent...if you tell a kid that type A seing is the ideal swing, don't come along and tell him to also emulate tpye B and type C...

Bart, In what way would you say that Williams swing was unorthodox in the 4-5 frames you are talking about? To be a good hitter at the major league level, you have to be consistant, no matter what kind of swing you have. If you have all the film of Williams, you will see that the hitch is an important part of his ability to time the ball, hit the ball and hit the ball with power. It was with Ruth too and is with Bonds.

Doug