Posted by: Mister X () on Wed Jun 18 10:19:39 2003

>>> A major element is bat cock...in general, the more bat cock the more the hips will bi open at "torque position". However, if you are not familiar with Epstein's "torque position" & my prior analysis of bat cock & it's relationship to launch position, torque position, etc, this may very well not make much sense. <<<
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> > Hi Bart
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> > As I understand it, the "torque position” alluded to in Epstein’s video and articles only referees to the “separation” between the hips and shoulders. I have never heard him address torque as a force that is applied by the hands to the bat. So I assume that by "torque position", you are referring the some amount of hip/shoulder separation.
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> > Jack Mankin
> > Jack, you are exactly right...."torque position" is a convenient term to describe at a specific moment in time (specific as is about one frame or less after front heel plant)how much hip & shoulder rotation there is.
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> I don't think he specifically says this seperation is "torque as a force that is applied by the hands to the bat", but he and many others clearly feel that this seperation is part of the kinetic chain that ultimately will contribute to "a force that is applied by the hands to the bat".
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> Of course, I understand that you are not sold on the concept of the kinetic chain, and may I assume that you are also not convinced that the amount of shoulder/hip seperation is unimportant?



I believe there should be some hip and shoulder separation. But I don't understand what mean when you say "bat cock" and how it affects the hip and shoulder separation. It doesn't make sense to me that how you position you hands (and the bat) affects how your hips open????