Posted by: Teacherman () on Mon Apr 21 13:22:13 2003

>>> Again, a great discussion. I think we have disagreed about this before. But I still contend that there is very good bat speed at extension. In fact, I think maximum batspeed is at extension as Paul Nyman states. The problem comes from the fact that it is very difficult to get extension against top pitching. Griffey, McGwire, ARod often do, to name a few. It creates a long swing that isn't useful (it's fast but takes to long to get the barrel to the ball). Therefore, some batspeed is sacrificed for bat quickness by most all mlb players.
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> But, at extension, when the hands stop and the barrel whips around, the batspeed is significant. I have a clip of Arod, completely broken down, clearly disconnected and extending, reaching for an outside pitch and he hits the ball 390 feet. Where did that batspeed come from? It had to come from the whip effect. <<<
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> Hi Teacherman.
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> There is no (noda, none) bat speed gain at full extension from the “whip effect” you described. I thought you had “The Final Arc ll.” In the video/dvd we show 2 test that prove the whip effect is nonexistent with a ridged object like a bat. Go to “Bat Speed Research” and read ‘Test the “Crack of the Whip” Theory’. Believe me Teacherman, the theory is a fallacy when applied the baseball swing.
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> Jack Mankin

Jack

Are you referring to the test where you tied a rope to a bat handle and threw it straight forward? Or, your steering wheel knob on the bat? With all due respect neither of them illustrate a baseball swing, linear or rotational. If my wrist would swivel like your steering wheel knob then I'd give it some consideration. But they don't.

And, if it's not the whip effect, in Arods swing, that allows him to hit the ball 390 feet after disconnection what is it? I don't have the ability to post the clip but you've seen the swing hundreds of times in baseball. The hitter is completely fooled by a change up or curve ball on the outside of the plate, low and away. The hitter has committed to a different location so he "throws" his hands to the ball and reaches full extension at contact. He has completely disconnected, the body went left and the hands went right, and still hits the ball 390 feet. There is no top hand torque in that swing, there is no bottom hand torque in that swing, there is no circular hand path in that swing, and there is no body rotation to power that swing. What created the power???
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