Posted by: Sal () on Wed Oct 2 14:05:53 2002

I lurk here often, but post infrequently. This thread, though, got my goat. Since when does stating one's opinion and then backing it up with documentation count as provocation? Especially when one has been directly challenged in so uncivil a fashion? Mort comes across as an obstinate, thin-skinned demagogue. Major Dan’s posts were lucid and light-hearted. How anyone can read the same thread that I just did and accuse Major Dan of being the provocateur is one of the strangest instances of the Rashomon syndrome I’ve ever seen.
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> How must I hitt the ball with wooden bat (annual rings) right-angled or along?
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> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Wood is stronger when the grain-lines meet the ball. The label is always put at 90 degrees rotation from the hitting surface. So the label should be facing up (or down) when contacting the ball, not facing contact or facing away.
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> > > > > > > > > > > > > This is a myth. It makes ZERO difference. I know because I worked for Louisville Slugger.In the future it is best for one to have their facts straight before giving any advice.
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> > > > > > > > > > > > there you go. Two conflicting opinions. I guess you'll have to do your own research now.
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> > > > > > > > > > > I spent some time looking for opinions on the internet. Found these. There are more. Found none that disagreed. Whoever posted before, feel free to back up your claims.
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> > > > > > > > > > > http://www.baseballbat.net/useandcare.html
> > > > > > > > > > > With the label in the 12 o'clock position, hit the ball at the 3 or 9 o'clock position. You may have to rotate the bat in your hand in order to make contact at the right area. Look at the barrel for ball marks, then adjust your grip accordingly. Take note of the label position and continue to use it as a general guide. Hitting the ball on the edge grain will give a better feel and reduce bat breakage.
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> > > > > > > > > > > A bat is a hitter's tool, it should be treated as such. Keep the label in the up position.
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> > > > > > > > > > > http://www.epinions.com/content_926654596
> > > > > > > > > > > Always hit with the label up or down. Never hit the ball on the label. Wooden bat manufacturers stamp their label on the bat on the top of the grain. The grain is what you can count to see how old a tree is. The grain is also the strongest part of a tree or wood. If you hit a ball on the label you will most likely have a broken bat in your hands. Broken bats add up.
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> > > > > > > > > > > http://www.exploratorium.edu/baseball/tools_2.html
> > > > > > > > > > > [how a Louisville Slugger is made!!!]
> > > > > > > > > > > The wood is milled into round, 37-inch blanks, or billets, which are shipped to the H&B factory in Louisville. There they're turned on a tracer lathe, using a metal template that guides the lathe's blades. These templates are set up to the specifications of each pro player. Then the bats are fire-branded with the Louisville Slugger mark. This mark is put on the flat of the wood's grain, where the bat is weakest. Players learn to swing with the label facing either up or down, so that they can strike the ball with the edge grain, where the bat is strongest. Hitting on the flat grain will more often than not result in a broken bat.
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> > > > > > > > > > > http://www.sambat.com/advant.htm
> > > > > > > > > > > Label up - At the plate look your bat in the eyes
> > > > > > > > > > > At the plate look your Sam bat in the eyes. We put our Bat decal on top of the grain to ensure the horizontal grain will meet the ball. This gives any wood bat a better chance to last and help your game.
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> > > > > > > > > > > http://www.mysportsguru.com/CDA/Article/0,1093,1-1003-6263-2013,00.html
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> > > > > > > > > > > The bat has a trademark and some think that it is just the manufacturers label. Well, it is, but it is also put on the bat to show the grain of the bat. Hitters should always have the label up so they are hitting with the grain and not against it.
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> > > > > > > > > > > http://www.baseballtips.com/howto/wood.html
> > > > > > > > > > > Breakage and Prevention
> > > > > > > > > > > The reality of wood bats is that any one of them can be broken. However, with some knowledge and the right bat, they have been known to last a long, long time. The first thing to do to reduce breakage is to understand that the placement of the trademark is not by accident. As no two trees are alike, no two bats are alike either. The trademark is placed on an area which has the greatest possibility of failure. The exact opposing side of the trademark is also a place where bats will more likely to fail too. Take a close look and you will see how the grain runs and why this is true. So the simple rule of prevention here is…Bat with LABEL UP OR LABEL DOWN. While holding a bat with two hands extended across the plate, make sure the label faces up to the sky or down to the ground.
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> > > > > > > > > > >I made bats for Louisville Slugger, you didn't. Your information from the internet is about as unimpressive as your knowledge of hitting. I suggest that you do some "real world" research before you start doling out bogus information. By the way, before I started making bats for LVS I played the game at a time when only wood bats were available. Therefore I am an authority on the subject and you are not. Good bye.
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> > > > > > > > > I guess you are right then.
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> > > > > > > > You are a goober. This is the first time I have seen your name at this website, and Major Dan does give good advice, but I am yet to hear from you. Well I probably have but u posted on another fake identity. Goodbye
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> > > > > > > What you & Minor Dan just said is a good example of why you haven't seen me post. You jokers can never be serious, can you? Someone makes a serious post and what do you bozos do? Personal insults, that's what! And then you have the nerve to wonder why I haven't posted? Get serious!!!
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> > > > > > Webmaster? Have you seen this! What more evidence do you need of Mort's incompetence? Someone asked a simple question, Major Dan gave a decent answer, someone challenged Dan's answer, Dan came back with documentation, and someone starts the personal attacks. I know if Dan or Hitman have things to offer they are always thoughtful and on point. Can't say the same for Mort.
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> > > > > To Mort: you are completely off base. MD offered support for his argument which you have failed to refute.
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> > > > > To Major Dan: once again it seems like you go out of your way to stir up trouble. In this particular case you have the facts on your side. The problem you have, though is that we have seen you stir up trouble so often in the past that you lack credibility.
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> > > > I answered the question. I backed up my answer when challenged.
> > > > Read the thread again and try to figure out who is personally attacking, etc.
> > > > When you have been here long enough maybe you will see the real pattern emerge. Its not the one you are currently espousing.
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> > > All I know is that you always seem to be the center of controversy, and not on real issues but in personal attacks. You always seem to reply to people's posts by calling them imposters. You have suggested that Charley Lau Jr, Frank Jessup, Joe A, Phil, sam procito and others are the same person. Like I said, on this particular issue, you are correct, but with all of the snide remarks you have made in the past it is easy for at least some of us to dismiss you as irrelevant. But it's not too late for you to change your behavior....
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> > You're off base. Dan provides a service to new members by pointing out the imposters and standing up for the correct hitting information and trying to help people who post with questions. Before being too critical about his sarcastic remarks (which I feel are warranted) complete the picture by reading his comments on hitting issues. You'll then find which side to line up with. Unless you are one of them.

richar and Steve: you're missing the point. I agree with your remarks about Mort. He was wrong (maybe drunk?) and MD provided something to support his position. But it is true (and this was my point) that all to requently Major Dan is involved in a hostile discussion. Many times he is just plain obnoxious about the most trivial matters. And if his mission is to expose imposters, it might be that he simply has some psychological problems. Joe A, Frank Jessup and Charley Lau have posted here off and on for quite some time. maybe sam and Phil are (were) new.But Major Dan apparently thinks there can not possibly be more than one person in this world who disagrees with him. Therefore if there is more than one, that person must be an imposter!
Like I said, if Major Dan will clean up his act and act civil, it will make for a better site.