Posted by: Ronnie (rwynn@comsouth.net) on Fri Jan 7 15:13:34 2011

> Hallo guys,
> I have a question about the handle torque. I know it's a push-pull action of the hands. however I see most hitters having their hands not actually moving in comparison to the shoulders. the top hand is not actually pulled back it stays at the same distance in relation to the back shoulder.
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> but still there are torquing forces on the handle.
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> could it be that the rotation of the shoulders and elbows create that torque without the hands moving independently? because I don't see a lot of independent hand movement the swing seems to be "connected" to the back shoulder.
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> there are also theories out that the torque comes from rotation of the forearms around it's axis. the top hand supinates at initiation which causes the barrel to be turned to the catcher without the hand acutally moving back in comparison to the shoulder. so the flattening of the hands is the torque.
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> which one is correct?

Hi Dominik,
This is the best question I have seen in a long time!
1st the hands are not moving in relationship to the shoulders, the hands are pulling against each other....
2nd the top hand is pulling back as the bottom hand is pulling forward while staying connected to shoulder rotation......
Jack's quote "This is not easy to do but well worth the effort"; add to that - it is hard to see even on video unless you do what Jack did with frame by frame marking the position of each hand....although movement of the hands are minimal, it causes greater torque than not doing it.
This is a question that I am sure creates controversy because most will not see this even on video.....then there are those that will deny what they are seeing.....I was fortunate enough to see this in my sons swing when he make a jump from hitting 300 foot line drives to hitting 370 feet line drives that never get more than 15 feet off the ground. By my calculations it added about 25% to bat speed without changing any mechanics other than using THT ,Top Hand Torque. I personally believe this is the hardest thing to teach and or learn. Best Wishes!
So you know, I believe the forearm roll you mention is a by product of this........therefore you can see it....teaching it is something else. Ronnie