Posted by: The Hitman (ahsnumber3@aol.com) on Wed Jun 12 11:22:43 2002

Frank-
> > > > > > > > > > Thanks for sticking with this.This type of communication is very difficult.Sometimes a yes/no question isn't as simple as it seems.For example how about the old "Did you stop beating your wife?"
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> > > > > > > > > > Not something you want to answer necessarily,since the assumptions behind the question may be something that you don't agree with/are different between questioner,answerer and observer.
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> > > > > > > > > > With respect to hitting,it is hard to have a dialog unless there is a shared model of how the swing works and a shared terminology associated with it.This is rarely the case.
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> > > > > > > > > > As for the vision question:
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> > > > > > > > > > Can the ball be tracked from release to contact?
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> > > > > > > > > > Not by the traditional smooth pursuit/saccade system.
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> > > > > > > > > > Probably by another visual system that exists but is not well studied since the money has been mostly in mediacl related research where this has not been associated with disease enough to get lots of study.
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> > > > > > > > > > What matters for the hitting student?
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> > > > > > > > > > Don't try to stay focussed on the ball.Go from soft to fine focus at release.Don't turn the head back.Swing when it feels right.
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> > > > > > > > > > Compare the head turning of pro vs minor leaguer in this thread:
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> > > > > > > > > > http://www.setpro.com/ubb/Forum1/HTML/000667.html
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> > > > > > > > > Frank-
> > > > > > > > > You are probably right that most who post here are teaching hitting or are serious students of the science of hitting.
> > > > > > > > > I think what you miss is that these discussions are among the instructors and serious students. So the discussions can get very detailed, scientific, etc. You are correct that there is a difference between knowing 'stuff' and teaching that 'stuff'.
> > > > > > > > > Consider most of the discussion here in the 'knowing' category.
> > > > > > > > > I think you need to specifically ask 'how do I teach that concept' to get the answers you are looking for.
> > > > > > > > > I think most here feel that you have to know and understand in depth before you can simplify and teach.
> > > > > > > > > And the simple answer to your question is 'no'.
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> > > > > > > > Good post and the right answer. Teaching is not just a side bar to "knowing" its a whole other category of skill requireing another site. Knowledge without the ability to teach is useless unless you are a player and are simply going to use it.
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> > > > > > > > Teaching is a skill in it self. Besides the errors in "knowledge" the lack of teaching skills are a fatal flaw in this, and most sites. Its Jacks fatal flaw.
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> > > > > > > Frank-
> > > > > > > Why do think Jack lacks teaching skill? This site has informed so many and affected many swings for the better. Isn't that the mark of a good teacher?
> > > > > > > I think Jack has taught most of us something, in many cases a lot.
> > > > > > > Where do think he has failed?
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> > > > > > Jack has really made great findings in his quest of disecting the similar traits of baseball history's successful hitters. The only thing is that he may not simplify the process, or break it down in drills such as Mike Epstein and his numbers drills. Which may or may not be a good thing. But Jack offers his readers a fuller understanding of the swing from a more technical perspective. I wish newcomers would browse through the message board archives, and read all the pages about truism's and fallacy's and check out the swing mechanics so they wouldn't complain about people who are too technical, or complain because they don't understand what everyone else is talking about.
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> > > > > Hitman,
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> > > > > I think you should start a dialog with Joe A. He can explain it better then me. But, Jack never addresses a couple of the most important factors in hitting. Without giving away information that Joe has intrusted in me, I can point these out.
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> > > > > 1. Jack never in any of his teachings discusses the movement or lack of movement of the head during the seing. This is vital for 2 major elements of the swing and a few minor ones.
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> > > > > 2. Jack focuses entirly on mechanics and mechanics are the second most important skill of hitting.
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> > > > > 3. About clarity, Joe A has explained many of the things jack teaches because I dont understand them from the available information. He knows them even though, in some cases, he does not agree with them. But he can make them clear. I don't think jack does.
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> > > > > 4. Many of the posts are repeated attempts to clear up the difference between linar and rotational mechanics. Well, why is it always unclear? Since its a major element of Jacks teachings, shouldn't it be clear what they are? You don't have to agree about their usefullness but they should be clear. Well, these and many other things are not clear. I read all of Jacks posts and too often I don't understand what he is saying. Usually I get Joe A. to explain it to me.
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> > > > > Frank Jessup
> > > > Frank, take it easy on Jack. Nobody is forcing you to read the information on this site. Maybe you should read and educate yourself, these concepts are not really hard at all to grasp. Maybe it speaks volume about your intelligence taking advice from the Spelling Champion himself.
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> > > Hittman,
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> > > So you think its spelling that counts. Interesting. I guess i know why you are at the level you are.
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> > > Its amazing how little you know yet your name is on every thread on this site. Funny
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> > > F. J.
> > Frank
> > I admit I dont know everything about the swing process. Do you have a sense of humor? I would still say I'm far above your level. I have a positive attitude, and I am open minded to information, and I don't throw a fit when I don't understand something. And I also don't snivle when my posts don't get answered. Frank, your fatal flaw is being immature, and having a brain the size of a peanut.
> > The Hitman
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> > >Hittman,
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> I will also admit that you dont know much about hitting but that dosent stop you from giving advice on just about every subject that comes up. Why is that? Your name appears more then anyone elses on this site, and others I bet. So, if you admit you dont know much about hitting why are you giving advice?
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> Something else you dont know, I did not complain because my post was not answered. I mentioned that someone else asked what I considered a good question and no one responded. Someone elses post, not mine.
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> F. J.
Frank
Why don't you ever respond to posts? Afraid to voice your opinion? Even Mike Epstein says that nobody knows everything about hitting. There is always something new to learn.
The Hitman
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