Posted by: Dick Anthony (ranthony@ca.net) on Tue May 7 11:28:13 2002

>>> I went to a clinic and they suggested that a common fault with kids (my kids are 11-12 year olds)is having a long swing. We were told that the kids should develop a compact swing and that a fence drill would accomplish this. They showed us how to teach this drill, but before I invest a lot of time in this drill I was hoping for some opinions as to how effective the drill is in overcoming the long swing. Also, any other hints as to how to develop a short swing? I don't believe everything I hear at these clinics, but this one was conducted by an ex-AAA minor leaguer, so I'm sure he's right in emphasizing a short swing.

Tom you added "(instead of arcing out)".
If you are espousing 'arcing out', does that include waiting longer on the pitch, or positioning farther off the plate....?
Does not 'arcing out' create hitting the outside of the ball on an inside pitch, and creating foul balls to sooner approach a behind in the count problem?
Perhaps I misunderstand the 'arcing out' concept? The expression suggests to me that the hands are extended closer to the plate. Or is the more arc directed "out" to the opposite field?
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> > Thanking you in advance, Coach Rob <<<
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> > Hi Coach Rob
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> > Welcome to the site. --- It would be useful if coaches would define the mechanics that would produce what they refer to as a “long” and “short” swing. Many, if not most, coaches say a “short” swing requires a straighter extension of the hands (alas, the fence drill). They will also contend that the bat-head should come through later in the swing at full extension.
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> > These same coaches refer to a batter with a circular hand-path (rotational mechanics) as having a long swing. But a batter with good rotational mechanics accelerates the bat to contact long before his back-arm is fully extended. The back-elbow is still in the “L” position. His hands move forward about 18 to 22 inches to contact. The hands move around 26 to 30 inches with linear extension mechanics. So I often ask coaches who say linear mechanics produces a “short - compact” swing this question. --- As the hands are extending out farther and farther toward full extension – is the swing getting shorter and more compact?
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> > As far as the “fence drill” is concerned, why don’t you test it out for yourself. – Stand so the bat will reach from your bellybutton to the fence. Now, without moving back, have someone throw you some balls and see how well you can hit.
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> > Barry Bonds develops great bat speed early in his swing and would rip-down the fence on inside or outside pitches.
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> > Jack Mankin
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> > i never could understand the purpose of the fence drill...even such distinguished gentlemen as tom.guerry, mike epstein and hitman say if done "correctly" it can be useful...seems to me that the only way to do it "correctly" would be to have the fence 1 1/2 bat lengths from the belly button (instead of the conventional 1 batlength)....but then the drill would not accomplish whatever the fence drill advocates want to accomplish....
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> the problem with the fence drill, even if done "correctly" is that (1) it forces the hands to be drawn in tighter, closer to the body)....and i THINK that's the value tom, mike & hitman see in the drill, especially on inside pitches)...but.......(2) problem is, because of that #$#@!^*$^ fence in the way, the bat has to be dragged in a horizonal position (instead of arcing out)an excessive distance before starting it's arc.....
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> to people who advocate the fence drill i have simply told them what jack has said: "Stand so the bat will reach from your bellybutton to the fence. Now, without moving back, have someone throw you some balls and see how well you can hit."
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> respectfully, grc....
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