Posted by: Major Dan (markj89@charter.net) on Wed Dec 5 09:20:56 2001

JACK!!!
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> > > > > Recently I made the following post: "Hi. I was wondering how I go about joining your club. I think I understand the rules but I want to be sure I understand them correctly.
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> > > > > Rule # 1 Only top hand torque and circular hand path may be discussed.
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> > > > > Rule # 2 Any discussion that challenges the sacred tenenants of top hand torque and circular hand path is prohibited.
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> > > > > Rule # 3 If anyone points out an inconsistency in top hand torque or circular hand path, club members should do one of the following: (A) get defensive and attack the credibility of the challenger (B) ignore the facts and the poster and confine the discussion to believers only (C) arrange for the post to be deleted.
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> > > > > Do I understand the club rules correctly?
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> > > > > On second thought, I don't think I want to join your club after all."
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> > > > > Now, I know there might be just a trace of sarcasm in the post, but nevertheless there is truth to everything I said. I would like to know just one false statement I made.
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> > > > > Thank you
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> > > > You wouldn't be closely related to Joe A. would you?
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> > > > Feeling the way you do, seems like the mature thing to do would just be to walk away? Why do you feel it necessary to communicate your hurt feelings to us?
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> > > > What I see happen here time after time (forgive me if this doesn't describe you) is that someone finds their sacred, long held swing mechanic beliefs challenged by those who have thought this through and have ready answers available for all their arguments. Sometimes this causes great emotional distress and they lash out. I would be delighted to have you convince me that my understanding of swing mechanics is wrong because that would mean I had learned something I needed to know. Right now, Mike and Jack make good sense to me along with Tom. Tell me where they are wrong. I look forward with an open mind to your response.
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> > > > Mark H.
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> > > > Mark H.
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> > > My gripe has nothing to do with rotational mechanics. My gripe is exactly what I said and what you just did. As to Joe A, no, he's not a relative and in fact I never heard of him. Maybe you are confusing him with someone else.
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> > Sergio,
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> > I love to discuss mechanics with linear proponents or any kind of believer in whatever mechanics. Furthermore, Jack, from what I see on this board, is a complete gentleman of IMMENSE patience who suffers fools much longer than I would. I'm not saying you are in that group, but there have been some and Jack was patient to a fault. As far as aggressive arguers, this is an open discussion board. If you have thin skin, the internet is not the place for you. On this site though, facts and logic are respected. Stubborness and long held beliefs that the holder cannot logically defend are not.
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> > Mark H.
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> I repeat: people like you are my gripe. See how defensive you have become? If someone says something that hurts your feelings, this is a sample of some of the things you say: "they lash out", "suffers fools", "thin skin","the internet is not the place for you","Stubborness". You have no clue as to what you are arguing for or against. All you know is that someone hurt your feelings. And then you are amazed that at eteamz they referred to you as a joke?
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> Obviously my assesment was correct: in Jack's zeal to protect this site from the pranksters and troublemakers (which he has both a right and an obligation to do), he has allowed individuals such as yourself to hijack the original goal of "free and open discussion" and convert the site into a platform to spread the gospel of top hand torque.
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> Do you here the laughter in the background, Mark H? That is the laughter of major league ball players and instructors . It's not just a case where they have heard your message and disagree. They have heard your message and are laughing at you.
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Sergio-
Welcome to Batspeed.
Why is it that major league instuctors are laughing? What are they laughing at? Rotational mechanics? Top hand torque? circular hand path?
Its not clear from your post what you are referring to. Please enlighten me.
What is the difference between disagreeing and laughing at? What are you getting at?
Which instructors are you referring to? How have you become knowledgable about their opinions? Are you privy to MLB coaching cirlces?
I'm curious about how you have come by your knowledge.