Posted by: Shawn () on Thu Oct 18 12:36:22 2001

>>> Jack,I have'nt still framed Jeter yet but he appears to use a method in which he oftens take s hard inside pitches the other way.Yet what I see on TV slo mo,is rotation and somewhat chp.What I think he is doing is using shoulder rotation to pull the bat around circular yet very little torque so that the barrel does not release out in front.This does allow the barrel to get inside near him yet stay behind the hands.He seems to get the same type of hits as Boggs and Gwynn,opp.field singls som doubles doing this.Haveyou noticed this and do you think he uses this as part of his motor programming when he knows he can't get the barrel in front in time,to just get it in line further back causing the slash.The main thing is he does'nt look linear with the body though maybe he is a little with the hand path right at the end once he is lined up. <<<
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> > > > Hi RQL
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> > > > I saw the swing and it looked to me just as you described it. It sure didn’t appear he was in a good position to finish with much bht. --- I thought it was interesting that the TV commentator said it “was a perfect example of an inside-out swing.” – I had always thought that an inside-out swing meant that the hands were moving from the inside to the outside. But, his hands were arcing toward 3ed base at contact. Regardless of what type of swing, the bat-head must always move from the inside-out, that’s the only way it can come around. So what does an “inside-out swing” mean and was Jeter’s swing “inside-out?”
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> > > > Jack Mankin
> > > > I always thought inside out meant you took an inside pitch and hit it out to opp.field.Ialso thought it came from a linear swing with the hands moving forward inside the ball ahead of the barrel.Perhaps more study of Jeter would show he is rotational yet when he feels he is going to be jammed he does'nt torque the bat and it allows the barrel to get inside further back giving him time to meet the fat part of bat on the ball.If he applied torque his handle would be in the zone at contact since his timing is off.So is he a possible rotational hitter that often does not apply torque properly to create a different way of hitting inside out.Would a more complete way of describing inside out be when you bring the barrel in close to the body behind the hands yet it is angled out to opp.field.
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> [previous post quit part way through, hopefully the full text, below, will get through]
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> This question of what is 'inside out' is one of those questions that I've just found out has been lurking inside my head for a while without my realizing it.
> With a linear hitting concept, throwing the hands out early and getting the bathead out in front of the hands pulls the ball. Essentially this is casting and pulling the hands across the chest - outside in.
> Keeping the barrel back and, more importantly, starting the hands in close and pushing them away gives you an inside out swing.
> THis whole concept doesn't apply to rotational hitting.
> Jack, your description of how a hitter like Manny Ramirez hits outside pitches to the opposite field is effectively an inside out swing - rotational sytle; a mini-cast into contact.
> Your description of pulling an inside pitch with rotational mechanics - keeping the hands in and turning the shoulders through to get bottom hand torque, is also very close to an inside out swing.
> At this point the phrase 'inside out swing' is becoming almost meaningless in my mind.
> I say this without video analysis of Jeter, so I hope I am not way off. My impression is that he keeps his hands in and does the 'Manny outside pitch' mini-cast on almost every swing, even inside pitches.
> His arms and legs are very busy until front foot down. I'm not sure he links bat to shoulder rotation as well or consistently as some of the best rotational hitters. He seems to just get everything going somehow, then cuts off hips and hands and does his mini-cast into the ball. He's very good at junking balls through the 4-hole.
> Personally I don't find his swing either aesthetic or exceptional mechanically. His power numbers are inflated by the short rf porch.
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> Does 'inside out' mean anything in the rotational context?

Hi,

I would like to see anyone attempt to duplicate Jeter's swing. Release your top hand early while striding (bring the back elbow down early), keep the barrel back as you complete the stride (pull the knob forward ?) and swing.

Jeter is unique, he cranks well (has some power), although his approach is completely personal to him and how he launches the hands.

Inside out? Why not just say Jeter was jammed or looking to hit the ball to right field. He looked jammed to me both times. A self imposed jam resulting in hitting behind the runner, or for Ichiro a way to get on base.

Shawn