Posted by: Joe A. () on Sun Sep 16 07:01:45 2001

>>> I have used the names Joe B and Joe A. and have always used language that lets people know its Joe A. Its a joke. There hare others who use Joe A. but I dont really care so I never pointed it out.
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> About the frame by frame. Do the "famous hitters' you spoke about also write the text? Thats where the erros are, in the text. I have already told you that the frame by frame is of no use. It changes perspective in the middle or it looks like it does which is the same thing. It also had no shading which takes away depth perception making it of no value. Hey, but if its good enough for you, fine.
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> An example of the errors in the text of the Frame #1 is the first bullet. It says that the "hips, torso and shouders start their rotation around an axis"
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> This is clearly meaning all at the same time. No where does the text say hips first. If you are "aware of the important of hip rotation" why did you lump in in with the torso and shoulders, underlining shoulders?
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> Hips first is an important part of the swing and this statement is wrong.
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> I wont get into the other errors. The real Joe A. <<<
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> To whatever Joe A. you are,
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> That is correct Joe, in Frame #1 the hips, torso and shoulders do start their rotation around an axis. And I might add "in unison." It is in the previous frame, Frame "C", where the hips start to lead the hands. Here is part of what I stated in describing that frame: "The lead knee has started rotating around toward the pitcher. All slack has been taken out of lead arm so that any rotation of the shoulders will cause a corresponding acceleration of the hands. --- So by full initiation, Frame #1, "hips, torso and shoulders start their rotation around an axis"
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> Jack Mankin

Jack,

I must admit, you are a gentleman no matter the provaction. In this regard, you are the better man.

Becuase your last post confused me, I think I need to clarify what I am saying. The swing unwraps from the bottom up. I am not getting into the mechanics of the feet and legs. I know that if you turn your hips you must start by using your feet and legs. I am leaving that out for now.

I am saying that as the swing unwraps from the bottom up, the first part of the torso that turns are the hips. This creates a torque between the lower and upper torso. This torque, plus the back muscles pulls into action the upper torso then the shoulders. The shoulder, and all related muscles, pull into action the upper arms, lower arms and hands in succession. Each body part adds to the speed created by the hip turn. All this speed is multiplied by the hands pushing and pulling the bat through the hitting area.

Is this your understanding of what I am saying? If so, when you say that you agree with me about the hips leading how can you make the statement that the "hips torso and shoulders" turn "in unison." This seems to contradict what you have said. Does it?

Plus, I think there is a big difference between saying that the hips lead the hands and what I am saying, that the hips lead the torso.
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I don't mean to beat a dead horse but this is a vital teaching as well as a mechanics point .

The Authentic
Joe A.