Posted by: Joe A. () on Sun Aug 19 05:51:23 2001

First, I want to compliment Jack on developing this site for people to seek and share information on hitting. Although I have not seen Jack's video, much of the information I have read on his site about his theory makes good sense. My name has been mentioned on this message board periodically becasue I published an article in 1996 about a technique that includes the power of "torque" in the baseball swing. Reprints of this article also appears on several websites. The reason for my message today is to respond to some of the feedback regarding the hitting technique that I have been teaching for the past 10 years. As noted in a June posting, my technique employs the use of a "flat bat" or a bat that rests on the bicep muscle (not the shoulder. The key in my approach is that the bat does not just rest on the arm, it is pressed on the arm creating torque. The results are more line-drives, more power, and fewer strike outs. The reason I like this site is because Jack also employs torque and rotational theory as an effective approach to hitting at all levels. Keep up the good work Jack!
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> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hey Paul
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> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As described in the post above, "the bat rests on the bicep muscle."
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now people who come to this site know that I am not one to be overly critical, but what is this about? There must be more to it or something I don't understand?
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> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I took this to the lab and I have some questions. What part of the bat rests on the bicep muscle? Are you holding the bat with two hands when you do it? Every time I try to tilt the bat back to put it on my upper arm my elbow goes down and it moves the upper arm away. Did anyone else try thig? What happened?
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> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Is this guy putting somebody on? Why didn't he give the address of where the article could be found. Did anyone read this article?
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> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Joe A.......the article is at www.webball.com.........
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> > > > > > > > > > > > > > GRC, thanks for the information.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > I looked at this web site. I could not find the article but, in looking for it I read some of the stuff. I never did find it but there is so many instances of bad information that I think the site sould have a warning label on it: Reading This Will Be Hazardous To Your Swing"
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> > > > > > > > > > > > > > It's no wonder that so many kids can't hit.
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> > > > > > > > > > > > > >joe, the article is there....when you click on the red dot representing the batter it brings up a screen for "basics" and "coaches corner".........under "coaches corner" is paul's article, "torque technique"
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> > > > > > > > > > > > I read this article. This is just another attempt to come up with something new. You can't sell the old stuff that someone else is saying so you have to create new stuff.
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> > > > > > > > > > > > Remember the guy who said people should not take a golf stance with the clubhead behind the ball? He said you should take a stance position that is the same as your position at the top of your backswing just before you come down with the club. This is the same type of ploy. Say something new so people will buy. It dosen't matter if it works.
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> > > > > > > > > > > Remember the guy who thought that he could jump higher in the high jump by going over backwards? This is such a great message board and I think when people like you take cheap shots without trying to understand a new concept fully, the quality of this site suffers. As I have stated previously, I welcome feedback and I don't think I have the perfect technique. I have helped many many hitters and that's all the proof I need to keep working hard to help hitters improve.
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> > > > > > > > > > Tim Timmons used to teach something similar in the Houston area a few years ago. Using this technique, you could take girls and boys who were clueless with no chance to hit the ball and take them to effective contact very quickly. The weakness in my experience was in dealing with lower pitches, especially low inside pitches. But it was a great shortcut for the LL kid who couldn't hit the ground if he fell. I've seen it work several times, but I wouldn't recommend it for the serious hitter who wants to play at the highest levels.
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> > > > > > > > It was a sad day for everyone when the Fosbury Flop proved to be successufl. Now every self proclamed expert with some silly idea trots it out to prove that they are right so they can sell something "new."
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> > > > > > > > Now we have kids using "krate chop" swings, resting the bat on their shoulders and swinging from there, crushing the bug, resting that bat on their bicept. Next some ballet dancer will tell us that to generate real bat speed the batter should be doing a pirouette in the batters box. And if someone says "hey that won't work" the dancer will stamp his foot and remind us of the Fosbury Flop.
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> > > > > > > > Yep, it was a sad day.
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> > > > > > > >paul.....i have re-read your article .....i hadn't realized before that you were suggesting the "flat bat" theory.....now that i fully understand what you are saying, despite all of the sarcasm, i have to agree witj Joe A......it might be that for beginners, in the short term your method might get quicker results, but in the long run it is a prescription for disaster.....i say start with the major leaguers as a model and take it from there....that's just my opinion.....you have put in a lot of time and expense in your work, and i think your work deserves a fair hearing....but again, my personal opinion is that the method is unworkable.....respectfully, grc..........
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> > > > > > As I mentioned before, it doesn't matter how we debate the pros and cons of any technique on this message board. The proof is in the actual results. I have many high school and college hitters using this technique with great success. I also get e-mails with success stories all the time from those who have read the article and used it. Maybe you guys should spend less time on this board giving out questionable advice and try it. I think you will be surprised.
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> > > > > >paul.....in your post of august 2 you said "I would welcome any constructive feedback and would be happy to clarify any of the information I present."............now you say your theory is not open to debate?......and exactly what is the "questionable advice" we should spend less time giving?...........if you feel that some of the advice on this board is questionable (and i agree there is some), then you should speak up and challenge it.....that's what the board is for......however, i don't think you should take it personally if we disagree with you....respectfully, grc......
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> > > > Name three college players who have been successful using your method. I can email any college coach in the country. Please include the compelte name of the college.
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> > > I read your message and I just disagree with your comment that it is "a prescription for disaster". Any technique that encourages hitters to use their entire body to hit is not a prescription for disaster. I do appreciate your opinion, but we will have to agree to disagree. I also do welcome "constructive" feedback, but as yet you have not offered any input other than your personal opinion that it is unworkable. That's why unless you actual try it, it probably does seem unworkable. Paul
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> > Thee names of three college players who used your method, please. I am waiting.
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> Keep waiting. I have nothing to prove to you. However, don't be surprised if you are watching a game on television and you see a hitter using it. Try to stay positive A.
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Paul,

Let's go over this again.

You have put out an idea for improving hitting that just about everyone who has commented on it says it won't work. Some one called it a "perscription for desaster." I say its an attempt to create a method thats new so you can sell it.

Your response is that "the proof of any system is in the results," and that you have "MANY high school and college hitters using this technique with great results."

So, if you have people who are doing "great" with your technique I would think they would be willing to tell us about it. Its a very reasonable request. One that is a logical extension of your claim. I think that is so logical that you should have given the names and colleges of these people when you made the claim, without having to be asked.

Yet, I did ask and you refuse. So, what is the logical conclusion most people should reach? Hmmmmmm, I wonder.
Guess I was right......again.

I will not respond to any more of your posts until you redeem your credibility by giving the information to support your claim.

Joe A.


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