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Posted by: Graylon (g_dunc@hotmail.com) on Mon Dec 22 16:56:56 2008

> > > Has anyone thought about using a cue of hips in front of shoulders,I have been seeing some kids with the problem of lunging ,not letting the ball come to them,and the cues were using are not working,so I was trying to do what they did then trying to figure out how to stop it if it was ingrained in my swing and I felt that if I focused on keeping my hips thrusted forward toward the ball ahead of the shoulders then rotating them into the ball,the rear tilt and swing plane fell into place,these ideas are not thoughts to necessarily take to the plate but to use to help break a problem.Has anyone used this or thought of it before and did you find any success.
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> > RQL,
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> > IMO if you do what you just wrote, minus the rotate the shoulders statement, you may fell what some call shoulder "bypass".
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> > If you allow the lead hip to clear/running start, fire the back hip while turning the barrel rearward via hands/forearms, rear elbow will come down, lead elbow up and shoulders will laterally tilt and stay closed creatig stretch. Bypass.
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> > The shooulders will rotate but not to power the swing. The swing has already been launched.
> >
> > Graylon
> wow,graylon I didnt know I said so much,actually I am focusing on shifting weight while staying balanced and loaded.so often the upper body gets ahead of the lower body usually a timing flaw,but because the hands and eyes are all upper body and they go to the ball,I think this enhances the weight shift to throw the upper body ahead of the lower body and the foot is trying to get down and stop this forward movement but it often only stops up to the hip and the upper 1/2 momentum keeps going and just canterlevers forward over the lead hip which locks the hips and ends up creating the disconnected arm swing from being out front.Does that make sense to anyone anywhere,probably not with my description.many cues come to mind like letting the ball travel or come to you ,staying behind the ball when I think of timing and not getting out front,but none make you think of how you will stop the upperbody from canterleving,so another thought I am having is to think of striding[weight shift/getting off the back side]with the intent of only striding from the feet to the hips,the rest is coiling.Getting kids in a good position to hit more times is a quality improvement I think.

RQL,

If I understand you correctly, I agree. I hear the cue stay behind the ball but never explained how. IMO this is obtained by what I understand you to be saying. As the hips are moving in front. The shoulders laterally tilt, keeping the upperbody back behind the ball. This happens with the aid of other things as well, the hips leading the way, hands/forearms turning the bat rearward, the elbows going up/lead and down/rear/showing the pitcher the triangle, and the lateral tilting of the shoulders.

Good discussion

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> > > > Has anyone thought about using a cue of hips in front of shoulders,I have been seeing some kids with the problem of lunging ,not letting the ball come to them,and the cues were using are not working,so I was trying to do what they did then trying to figure out how to stop it if it was ingrained in my swing and I felt that if I focused on keeping my hips thrusted forward toward the ball ahead of the shoulders then rotating them into the ball,the rear tilt and swing plane fell into place,these ideas are not thoughts to necessarily take to the plate but to use to help break a problem.Has anyone used this or thought of it before and did you find any success.
> > > 
> > > 
> > > RQL,
> > > 
> > > IMO if you do what you just wrote, minus the rotate the shoulders statement, you may fell what some call shoulder "bypass".
> > > 
> > > If you allow the lead hip to clear/running start, fire the back hip while turning the barrel rearward via hands/forearms, rear elbow will come down, lead elbow up and shoulders will laterally tilt and stay closed creatig stretch. Bypass.
> > > 
> > > The shooulders will rotate but not to power the swing. The swing has already been launched.
> > > 
> > > Graylon
> > wow,graylon I didnt know I said so much,actually I am focusing on shifting weight while staying balanced and loaded.so often the upper body gets ahead of the lower body usually a timing flaw,but because the hands and eyes are all upper body and they go to the ball,I think this enhances the weight shift to throw the upper body ahead of the lower body and the foot is trying to get down and stop this forward movement but it often only stops up to the hip and the upper 1/2 momentum keeps going and just canterlevers forward over the lead hip which locks the hips and ends up creating the disconnected arm swing from being out front.Does that make sense to anyone anywhere,probably not with my description.many cues come to mind like letting the ball travel or come to you ,staying behind the ball when I think of timing and not getting out front,but none make you think of how you will stop the upperbody from canterleving,so another thought I am having is to think of striding[weight shift/getting off the back side]with the intent of only striding from the feet to the hips,the rest is coiling.Getting kids in a good position to hit more times is a quality improvement I think.
> 
> RQL,
> 
> If I understand you correctly, I agree. I hear the cue stay behind the ball but never explained how. IMO this is obtained by what I understand you to be saying. As the hips are moving in front. The shoulders laterally tilt, keeping the upperbody back behind the ball. This happens with the aid of other things as well, the hips leading the way, hands/forearms turning the bat rearward, the elbows going up/lead and down/rear/showing the pitcher the triangle, and the lateral tilting of the shoulders.
> 
> Good discussion

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