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Posted by: george stanley (saint_george13@yahoo.com) on Mon Aug 18 08:54:14 2008

> > hello one & all!
> > i watched JUNIOR GRIFFEY lasst friday night.. he seemed to be the same as the last time i saw him, severall years ago..doing pretty much the same thing he has always done!!..same stance, same swing.. only now he's not getting there anymore!!! WHY? WHAT IS DIFFERENT NOW?
> > ANSWER: he is pretty much the same player.. only age has uncovered the one incontrovertible truth:
> > AS YOU AGE, YOUR ATHLETIC ABILITY DIMINISHES TO THE POINT IT CAN NO LONGER COMPENSATE ENOUGH FOR THE HOLES IN YOUR STANCE & SWING..IT CAN

hey mikee!!
one of the first things they teach you in a LOGIC course, is:
when you answer a question, take a look at your answer & ask yourself if you answered the question.. WHICH YOU DID NOT!!..

> > NO LONGER RESCUE YOU.. NOW IS THE TIME TO MAKE AN ADJUSTMENT IN BOTH THE STANCE & SWING TO ELIMINATE THOSE ACTIONS WHICH SLOW YOUR BAT
> > TO THE POINT YOU ARE BARELY COMPETITIVE.
> > anyone have any thoughts on this?
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > here is an email i sent last friday to HAWK HARRELSON about JUMIOR:
> > watched ken griffey last night.. this poor guy is in the "OVERMATCHED " category, being both hopeless & helpless..
> > the pitcher had a blueprint on how to go at JUNIOR.. nothing but fastballs up in the zone.. a pitcher would have to be a fool to throw anything offspeed or down in the zone to him.. he exhibited his batspeed has slowed to the point that he can not POSSIBLY GET AROUND ON ANYTHING ABOVE THE CROTCH.. fouling off numerous pitches, as well as hacking at slop pitches with 2 strikes that were shoelace high. fouling off ball 3 & ball 4.. not good.
> > THIS GUY HAS NO BUSINESS BEING IN THE STARTING LINEUP ON A DAILY BASIS!!!..he has become a one dimensional hitter.. low ball stuff only. add to that his obvious lack of speed in the outfield makes him a liability rather than a positive add-on to this squad..
> > REASON: HE IS SHOOTING HIMSELF IN THE FOOT BY HOLDING HIS HANDS WAY TOO LOW.. SABOTAGING HIMSELF ON PITCHES UP IN THE ZONE!! ALSO.. HE IS WAGGING THE BAT AT THE PITCHER'S RELEASE POINT, WHICH GUARANTEES BECAUSE THE BAT IS IN MOTION HE WILL HAVE A DIFFERENT INITIATION POINT TO EVERY SWING.. GUARANTEEING INCONSISTENCY IN HIS TIMING, RESULTING IN A DIMINISHED SUCCESS RATE..
> > why can not someone help rescue this poor soul from himself?
>
> Jeseus George you are talking about a hall of famer with over 600 homeruns and close to a carrer 300 average against the best pitching in the world. What he does as ahitter is why he is so good george. His stride lands at 50 percent his hands stay back his bat is directed back toward the catcher he hads a wide arc on outside pitches and a smaller ark on inside pitches and he has done that better more consistently than as good as any hall of famer or better. You are in denial about the mechanics. The stance does not matter it's almost better to be in a weak position and than end up strong. Because it doesn't matter where you start it's where you end up. And you never answer anybody's question. When Jack Mankin shows all the videos of great hitter who have barred arms why do you continue to talk trash. What hitters have you produced? Your hitters are probally all handsy and look like robots like every high school in america with cookie cutter coaches. You act like you invented physics and you act like you know the kinectic link and the pendiulum effect. You watch but you don't see. The hands never move and the front shoulder flies the hell open. How else can you hit you can't. The same reasons kernerko and thome struggle is because of hitting coaches like you. Whatch frame by frame videos of doubles and bombs. It's amazing of how much of a bad coach you are. You honestly think you could help all these guys I 100 percent know you would ruin them more and I feel sorry for the kids you teach and hope the parents of these kids figure it out and stop sending them to you because as far as they will get is high school ball. Mike

HELLO MIKEE!!.. i am not jesus..just plain old george will do.
one of the first things they teach you in a LOGIC course, is:
when you answer a question, look at your answer & ask yourself IF YOU ANSWERED THE QUESTION!!!. which you did not.
instead you give me a history report of how wonderful JUNIOR WAS.. REPEAT WAS. unfortunately you cannot bring the record book to the plate & wave it at the pitcher in the hopes he will become so frightened he will throw you a lollipop..
then you want to tell me why is so good..
FACT: JUNIOR GRIFFEY - . 2 2 5 ...
so no matter what he HAS been doing, he ain't goin so good right now.
I STILL AM LOOKING FOR YOUR ANALYSIS OF HIS WEAKNESSES & AN ADJUSTMENT TO MAKE IT BETTER!!! hello?!?!?
FACT: ALL YOU HITTING GURUS OUT THERE WHO THINK THE STANCE DOES NOT AFFECT THE SUCCESS RATE.. YOU ARE LOST LOST LOST!!
FACT: THE 2 GUYS WITH THE MOST OPEN STANCES IN THE LEAGUE HAVE THE LOWEST INCIDENCE OF HR's:
CRAIG COUNSELL 1HR/100+AB lifetime
JASON KENDALL 1/HR in 1200 AB in a 3year period.
figure it out.
if a person cannot accept the LOGIC of understanding that if everyone has a different stance & everyone has a different location in the box, then EVERY9ONE WILL HAVE A DIFFERENT SUCCESS RATE!! depending on what stance & what location a hitter implements has a definite effect on the success rate...
for example in the case of JUNIOR, if a hitter holds his hands letter-high & NEVER NEVER EVER catches up to a pitch belt high
instead missing completely, fouling off or popping up that pitch..one must be able to extrapolate & figure out WHY.. which you obviously cannot do.. you & half the socalled masters-of-the-art on this site.
if you re-read what i wrote, BOTH BOTH BOTH ARMS MUST BE BENT AS YOU FIRE... of course the arm will straighten thru the swing.. what else can it do? my point is to initate the swing with a front arm bar is to diminish your end batspeed.. also ,
QUESTION: if the front arm is a bar, HOW DO YOU INITIATE B H T!?!?
IT IS VERY DIFFICULT TO HAVE MUCH BOTTOM HAND TORQUE IF ANY, IF THE FRONT ARM IS A BAR!! beside which all the hitters shown have SOME bend in their front arm.. except HOLLIDAY.. if you watch the swing, it is obvious he is braking & diminishing his batspeed with the front arm bar.. trying to keep his front hand inside thepitch while keeping a straight front arm result in a slowing of the bat.. watch the tape,, if you cannot see the point where the two arms are in conflicting paths & the overall speed of the bat is diminished.. i can't help you.
then you conveniently take the opportunity to turn this into a diatribe about ME.. which it ain't.
YOU WANT TO BLAME ME FOR THOME & KONERKO'S SHORTCOMINGS!?!?! HUH?!?!I DO NOT COACH THE WHITE SOX!! if i did, then i would be the first to take the blame for the poor success rate & get out of town.
WHEN I TALK TO A HITTER I DON'T WANT TO TALK TO HIM ABOUT THE DOUBLES & BOMBS HE HITS.. I WANT TO TALK ABOUT THE 5 SWINGS OUT OF 6 WHERE HE MISSES THE BALL.. THAT IS WHERE YOU HELP A HITTER IMPROVE.. SHOW HIM WHERE HIS STANCE OR SWING IS DIMINISHING HIS BATSPEED & MAKING HIM VULNERABLE TO CERTAIN PITCHES IN CERTAIN SPOTS.. ELIMINATE THOSE ACTIONS & HELP HIM TO STATR TO DRIVE PITCHES THAT HE HAS BEEN MISSING COMPLETELY, FOULING OFF OR POPPING UP.. that is where a batting coach helps a hitter. as a batting coach, here are my 4 duties:
1. DETERMINE THE WEAKNESSES IN THE HITTER'S STANCE OR SWING WHICH DIMINISH HIS BATSPEED & MAKE HIM LATE TO PITCHES HE SHOULD BE DRIVING.
2. MAKE THE HITTER UNDERSTAND WHY THESE ACTIONS ARE HANDICAPPING HIS SUCCESS RATE..& WHY THEY SHOULD BE ELIMINATED OR ADJUSTED.
3. CONCEIVE OF AN ADJUSTMENT OR ALTERNATE ACTION WHICH WILL GENERATE
GREATER BATSPEED.
4. MAKE THE HITTER UNDERSTAND WHY THESE CHANGES WILL SUCCEED.. THIS IS THE MOST IMPORTANT PART!!.. THE HITTER MUST BE ABLE TO EXPLAIN TO YOU WHY THIS CHANGE WILL WORK.. ONLY THEN DO YOU HAVE A CHANCE TO HAVE THE HITTER BUY INTO WHAT YOU ARE TRYING TO ACHIEVE.
the last thing i tell all my students EVERY DAY:
if you cannot conceive of success, you will not achieve success.

i sincerely doubt whether you could come up with a duty list such as that.. if you did you wouldn't be grieving on me all the time..
according to you, everything is all right the way it is, & there is no need for thinking outside the box in a more progressive light..
you guys remind me of 14th century doctors, who were fearful of exchanging theory with other doctors for fear others might find out how little you know.
unlike me, you on the other hand help MLB hitters on a daily basis..
yeah.
but then i am always up for some laughs.. thank you

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> > > hello one & all!
> > > i watched JUNIOR GRIFFEY lasst friday night.. he seemed to be the same as the last time i saw him, severall years ago..doing pretty much the same thing he has always done!!..same stance, same swing.. only now he's not getting there anymore!!! WHY? WHAT IS DIFFERENT NOW?
> > > ANSWER:  he is pretty much the same player.. only age has uncovered the one incontrovertible truth:
> > > AS YOU AGE, YOUR ATHLETIC ABILITY DIMINISHES TO THE  POINT IT CAN NO LONGER COMPENSATE ENOUGH FOR THE HOLES IN YOUR STANCE & SWING..IT CAN
> 
> hey mikee!!
> one of the first things they teach you in a LOGIC  course, is:
> when you answer a question, take a look at your answer & ask yourself if you answered the question.. WHICH YOU DID NOT!!..
> 
> > > NO LONGER RESCUE YOU.. NOW IS THE TIME TO MAKE AN ADJUSTMENT IN BOTH THE STANCE & SWING TO  ELIMINATE THOSE ACTIONS WHICH SLOW YOUR BAT
> > > TO THE POINT YOU ARE BARELY COMPETITIVE.
> > > anyone have any thoughts on this?
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > here is an email i sent last friday to HAWK HARRELSON about JUMIOR:
> > > watched ken griffey last night.. this poor guy is in the "OVERMATCHED " category, being both hopeless & helpless..
> > > the pitcher had a blueprint on how to go at JUNIOR.. nothing  but fastballs up in the zone.. a pitcher would have  to   be a fool to throw anything offspeed or down in the zone to him.. he exhibited his batspeed has slowed to the point that he can not POSSIBLY GET AROUND ON ANYTHING ABOVE THE CROTCH.. fouling off numerous pitches, as well as hacking at slop pitches with 2 strikes that were shoelace high. fouling off ball 3 & ball 4.. not good. 
> > > THIS GUY HAS NO BUSINESS BEING IN THE STARTING LINEUP ON A DAILY BASIS!!!..he has become a one dimensional hitter.. low ball stuff only. add to that his obvious lack of speed in the outfield makes him a liability rather than a positive add-on to this squad..
> > > REASON: HE IS SHOOTING HIMSELF IN THE FOOT BY HOLDING HIS HANDS WAY TOO LOW.. SABOTAGING HIMSELF ON PITCHES UP IN THE ZONE!! ALSO..  HE IS WAGGING THE BAT AT THE PITCHER'S RELEASE POINT, WHICH GUARANTEES BECAUSE THE BAT IS IN MOTION HE WILL HAVE A DIFFERENT INITIATION POINT TO EVERY SWING.. GUARANTEEING INCONSISTENCY IN HIS TIMING, RESULTING IN A DIMINISHED SUCCESS RATE..
> > > why can not someone help rescue this poor soul from himself?
> > 
> > Jeseus George you are talking about a hall of famer with over 600 homeruns and close to a carrer 300 average against the best pitching in the world. What he does as ahitter is why he is so good george. His stride lands at 50 percent his hands stay back his bat is directed back toward the catcher he hads a wide arc on outside pitches and a smaller ark on inside pitches and he has done that better more consistently than as good as any hall of famer or better. You are in denial about the mechanics. The stance does not matter it's almost better to be in a weak position and than end up strong. Because it doesn't matter where you start it's where you end up. And you never answer anybody's question. When Jack Mankin shows all the videos of great hitter who have barred arms why do you continue to talk trash. What hitters have you produced? Your hitters are probally all handsy and look like robots like every high school in america with cookie cutter coaches. You act like you invented physics and you act like you know the kinectic link and the pendiulum effect. You watch but you don't see. The hands never move and the front shoulder flies the hell open. How else can you hit you can't. The same reasons kernerko and thome struggle is because of hitting coaches like you. Whatch frame by frame videos of doubles and bombs. It's amazing of how much of a bad coach you are. You honestly think you could help all these guys I 100 percent know you would ruin them more and I feel sorry for the kids you teach and hope the parents of these kids figure it out and stop sending them to you because as far as they will get is high school ball. Mike
> 
> HELLO MIKEE!!.. i am  not jesus..just plain old george will do.
> one of the first things they teach you in a LOGIC course, is:
> when you answer a question, look at your answer & ask yourself IF YOU ANSWERED THE QUESTION!!!.  which you did not.
> instead you give me a history report of how wonderful JUNIOR  WAS.. REPEAT WAS. unfortunately you cannot bring the record book to the plate & wave it at the pitcher in the hopes he will become so frightened he will throw you a lollipop..
> then you want to tell me why is so good..
> FACT:  JUNIOR GRIFFEY - . 2 2 5  ...
> so no matter what he HAS  been doing, he ain't goin so good right now.
> I STILL AM LOOKING FOR YOUR ANALYSIS OF HIS WEAKNESSES & AN ADJUSTMENT TO MAKE IT BETTER!!! hello?!?!?
> FACT:  ALL YOU HITTING GURUS OUT THERE WHO THINK THE STANCE DOES NOT AFFECT THE SUCCESS RATE.. YOU ARE LOST LOST LOST!!
> FACT: THE 2 GUYS WITH THE MOST OPEN STANCES IN THE LEAGUE HAVE THE LOWEST INCIDENCE OF HR's:
> CRAIG COUNSELL    1HR/100+AB lifetime
> JASON KENDALL      1/HR in 1200 AB in a 3year period.
> figure it out.
> if a person cannot accept the LOGIC of understanding that if everyone has a different stance & everyone has a different location in the box, then EVERY9ONE WILL HAVE A DIFFERENT SUCCESS RATE!! depending on what stance & what location a hitter implements has a definite effect on the success rate...
> for example in the case of JUNIOR, if a hitter holds his hands letter-high & NEVER NEVER EVER catches up to a pitch belt high
> instead missing completely, fouling off or popping up that pitch..one must be able to extrapolate & figure out WHY.. which you obviously cannot do.. you & half the socalled masters-of-the-art on this site.
> if you re-read what i wrote, BOTH BOTH BOTH ARMS MUST BE BENT AS YOU FIRE... of course the arm will straighten thru the swing.. what else can it do? my point is to initate the swing with a front arm bar is to diminish your end batspeed.. also , 
> QUESTION: if the front arm is a bar, HOW DO YOU INITIATE B H T!?!?
> IT IS VERY DIFFICULT TO HAVE MUCH BOTTOM HAND TORQUE IF ANY,  IF THE FRONT ARM IS A BAR!! beside which all the hitters shown have SOME bend in their front arm.. except HOLLIDAY.. if you watch the swing, it is obvious he is braking & diminishing his batspeed with the front arm bar.. trying to keep his front hand inside thepitch while keeping a straight front arm result in a slowing of the bat.. watch the tape,, if you cannot see the point where the two arms are in conflicting paths & the overall speed of the bat is diminished.. i can't help you.
> then you conveniently take the opportunity to turn this into a diatribe about ME.. which it ain't.
> YOU WANT TO BLAME ME FOR THOME & KONERKO'S SHORTCOMINGS!?!?!  HUH?!?!I DO NOT COACH THE WHITE SOX!! if i did, then i would be the first to take the blame for the poor success rate & get out of town.
> WHEN I TALK TO A HITTER I DON'T WANT TO TALK TO HIM ABOUT THE DOUBLES & BOMBS HE HITS.. I WANT TO TALK ABOUT THE 5 SWINGS OUT OF 6 WHERE HE MISSES THE BALL.. THAT IS WHERE YOU HELP A HITTER IMPROVE.. SHOW HIM WHERE HIS STANCE OR SWING IS DIMINISHING HIS BATSPEED & MAKING HIM VULNERABLE TO CERTAIN PITCHES IN CERTAIN SPOTS.. ELIMINATE THOSE ACTIONS & HELP HIM TO STATR TO DRIVE PITCHES THAT HE HAS BEEN MISSING COMPLETELY, FOULING OFF OR POPPING UP.. that is where a batting coach helps a hitter. as a batting coach, here are my 4 duties:
> 1. DETERMINE THE WEAKNESSES IN THE HITTER'S STANCE OR SWING WHICH DIMINISH HIS BATSPEED & MAKE HIM LATE TO PITCHES HE SHOULD BE DRIVING.
> 2. MAKE THE HITTER UNDERSTAND WHY THESE ACTIONS ARE HANDICAPPING HIS SUCCESS RATE..& WHY THEY SHOULD BE ELIMINATED OR ADJUSTED.
> 3. CONCEIVE OF AN ADJUSTMENT OR ALTERNATE ACTION WHICH WILL GENERATE
> GREATER BATSPEED.
> 4. MAKE THE HITTER UNDERSTAND WHY THESE CHANGES WILL SUCCEED.. THIS IS THE MOST IMPORTANT PART!!.. THE HITTER MUST BE ABLE TO EXPLAIN TO YOU WHY THIS CHANGE WILL WORK.. ONLY THEN DO YOU HAVE A CHANCE TO HAVE THE HITTER BUY INTO WHAT YOU ARE TRYING TO ACHIEVE.
> the last thing i tell all my students EVERY DAY:
> if you cannot conceive of success, you will not achieve success.
> 
> i sincerely doubt whether you could come up with  a duty list such as that.. if you did you wouldn't  be grieving on me all the time.. 
> according to you, everything is all right the way it is, & there is no need for thinking outside the box in a more progressive light..
> you guys remind me of 14th century doctors, who were fearful of exchanging theory with other doctors for fear others might find out how little you know.
> unlike me, you on the other hand help MLB hitters on a daily basis..
> yeah.
> but then i am always up for some laughs.. thank you

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