Posted by: Graylon (g_dunc@hotmail.com) on Tue Jun 24 16:43:45 2008

> Graylon, first off, how many times has it been discussed and, agreed upon, that undoubtedly what we actually see in the launch of the swing, the back elbow tuckin in close? That all important ONE piece unit coming through. If the elbow is in the that ideal location at the side of the body during swing launch,how could the hands set the pitch plane, without inducing the same tilt in the body, including the shoulders? Jim Rice once said;"the easiest way to begin a swing, is to drop the rear shoulder." Of course there's tilt of the shoulders, there has to be. Certainly, to varying degrees.
> How many times have we seen at the point of that good fat contact, the front elbow slotted up and, the rear, tucked in close?


John,

That is not in disagreement, the back elbow does slot, the lead elbow does work up and the shoulders do tilt, but that happens before pitch location is an absolute. The swing is launched and the hands guide the barrel to the ball.

The hands can swivel in many ways. I have seen hitters have to make adjustments on balls moving down and the barrel gets below the hands and off of plane of the shoulders. As the hands adjust the bat to plane the shoulders follow not the other way around.

Graylon