Posted by: Rich () on Sat Jan 1 19:24:36 2005

Jack,
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> Your quote:
> ?I never stated all good hitters apply pre-launch torque as I described above.?
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> Neither did I, and begging your pardon, I did not ask you if you did.
> What I did ask, were four questions (which you did not answer) in the hopes of seeing if you were seeing what I was seeing.
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> May I interpret your response:
> ?Many good hitters do not use pre-launch torque in their swings.?
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> ?to mean that Bagwell, Williams, Jones, Glaus, Griffey, Mac, and Palmiero do not/have not use/used pre-launch torque in their swings?
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> In other words (answering for you, if I may) you agree that all of the batters that I indicated:
> a) do not pull their hands toward their back-shoulder as they take their stride
> b) do not accelerate the bat head a good distance before the back-elbow starts to lower?
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> Next is question No. 3
> Bonds (2nd row - 1st clip)
> Do you see that it could be possible for Bonds? top hand thumb to be able to TOUCH his shoulder?
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> This requires only a simple yes or no, please.
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> Lastly
> Question No. 4:
> ?Rearward? from what direction?
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> When you describe the direction of the bat head, this is not clear to me (as in at what exact point in the swing and from what direction to what direction)?
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> For example: In your above quote you say, ??accelerated rearward from its forward cocked position??
> If the cocked position is toward the pitcher, then rearward would be directly opposite, which is toward the catcher. I do not see the bathead moving toward the catcher, before the elbow lowers.
> If there is any bat head movement (in the clips that I have referenced) in the first frames of rear elbow lowering, it is toward the first base dugout (for right handers) or third base dugout (for left handers).
> A good example is the Chipper Jones clip. PLEASE tell me what you see in that clip.
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> Perhaps if you would reference a 360 degree circle, with 0 degrees being the pitcher?s rubber. Please explain the bathead direction in which specific point of the swing (frame of the clip).
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> You know what I mean, everybody reading this post knows what I mean, can?t you just answer please?
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> ray porco
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> I never stated all good hitters apply pre-launch torque as I described above.
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> > ?With many hitters, Bonds and Sosa to name a couple, the bat-head is accelerated back in two phases. ?
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> > ?Many good hitters do not use pre-launch torque in their swings. They apply THT at initiation as described for the second phase. Since they are applying THT as the shoulder starts turning, the hands (as a unit) will always be viewed moving in a forward arc.?
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> > Jack Mankin
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> > Hey Ray,

The way i see your question about Bonds being able to touch his thumb to his rear shoulder is that Bonds is physically unable to touch his thumb to his rear shoulder.

His bicep muscle is so large that it interferes with his ability to bring the thumb to the shoulder... but i believe that if he could he would want his hands as close to his shoulder as possible. in order that he could rotate his shoulders as quickly and as powerfully as possible. the farther away from the body the hands the slower the rotation of the shoulders.

Bonds will rotate his hips and shoulders half way before he lowers his hands down to his already lowered elbow... his hands stay as close to his shoulders for as long as he can before he flings(flails)the bathead out in a circular hand path(CHP)

So Bonds does not touch his shoulder with his thumb... is this an absolute? beware... regards, Rich