Posted by: Jack Mankin (MrBatspeed@aol.com) on Wed Dec 29 00:27:37 2004

Re: Re: Re: Re: Jack, Origin of
Posted by: Jack Mankin (MrBatspeed@aol.com on Wed Dec 15 12:54:44 2004

(rql)
I used the bow string method which may be different for you than as I perceive it and the elbow went straight toward catcher no pulling back toward dugout behind me, the results were quite dismal compared to the others.

(Jack Mankin)
I agree with your point that pulling the forearm and top-hand back toward the catcher produces poorer results than pulling them toward the third base dugout. I used the term “back toward the catcher” to denote that the top-hand should be pulling rearward during initiation rather than pushing forward toward the ‘pitcher’.
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(WT)
Jack, You finally answered THT but in a VERY LONG ROUND-ABOUT WAY, lol. By adding "around a slower moving (or more stationary) bottom-hand". Thank You

Re: THT
Posted by: Jack Mankin (MrBatSpeed@aol.com on Mon Aug 9 16:24:05 2004

(Jim)
Incidentally, you explain THT very well, I do basically grasp the concept BUT... I just don't know how you identify the "action" as being specifically THT and not something else?

I'll try again:
What identifiable trigger (lack of better word) do you "see" that specifically tells you it is THT?

(Jack Mankin)
I would guess that most posters who say they can see THT being applied are referring to the pre-launch phase of applying THT. During pre-launch torque, the hands start a good distance from the back-shoulder (like Bonds or Sosa) and bat-head acceleration occurs before shoulder rotation. Even the most skeptic observer should be able to see that the pulling back of the forearm (and thus top-hand) applies torque that causes the bat-head to be accelerated back.

I agree with you that THT is hard to see once the hands are at the back-shoulder and the bat is in the swing plane. Even though the pulling back of the top-hand continues during initiation, shoulder rotation is accelerating the hands (as a unit) around toward the pitcher. Therefore if the hands (as a unit) is rotating in one direction, it is hard to see, or understood by many, how the top-hand is applying a force in the opposite direction (back toward the catcher).

Jim, regardless of what muscles or mechanics it feels like you are using, if it results in you pulling the top-hand back around a slower moving bottom-hand, you are applying torque that is accelerating the bat-head.

Jack Mankin
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WT, I have not changed the principles (THT, CHP & BHT) since the day the site came on line. I have posted numerous times since 1999 that when applying THT - (1) the elbow is being pulled back toward the third base dugout for pitches middle-in, and - (2) the top-hand is being pulled around a slower moving bottom-hand.

Jack Mankin