Posted by: bobo (rfdfrfef@optonline.net) on Sat Dec 18 06:15:42 2004

Hi All
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> Getting the hands close to the back-shoulder as the swing is initiated is a must for batters to attain their maximum hitting potential. Some posts, like grc’s, would have you think that the best hitters keep their hands 8 to 12 inches away from the back-shoulder during the swing. Below are couple statements grc made in a post below that represents the thinking of a few other posts.
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> >>> you and jack are dodging the issue...thousands of hitters have their hands 8 inches or more away from shoulders...very few have hands glued to shoulder
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> the bottom line is JACK IS HAVING HITTERS HAVE THEIR HANDS SIGNIFICANTLY CLOSER TO THE SHOULDER THAN THE AVERAGE MAJOR LEAGUE HITTER....so....why should jack be so suprised at being asked to defend such a radical concept, <<<
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> Far from “dodging the issue”, the concept of initiating your swing with your hands 8 to 12 inches away from the shoulder is so destructive to a batter’s potential, that I am addressing the issue as a new thread. – I notice that Youth Baseball has their swing clips running again ( http://www.youthbaseballcoaching.com/swings.html ). I thought it would be helpful if we looked at a few clips that show a side view of these great hitters. This view will allow us the get a fairly good view of the hands/shoulder relationship as the elbow lowers to the slot and the batters begins to rotate.
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> I looked at most of the side views shown and found about the same “hands/shoulder relationship as the elbow lowers to the slot and the batters begins to rotate.” I choose Boone (upper right clip) because it gives the largest and clearest view. But whether you look at Jones, Williams, ect., you will see about the same hands/shoulder relationship occurring during the swing.
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> Note: The program I view the clips with does not have a frame counter – I just slide the bar to advance frames and try to estimate the count.
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> Let us all take a look at the Boone clip –
> (Frame #1) – Indeed, grc and company are correct at this point. As Boone stands in the box, his hands are 8 to 12 inches from the shoulder.
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> (Frame #2 to frame # 8 or 9) -- Boone may have started with his hands 8+ inches from the shoulder, but note that as he prepares his launch position and pulls the elbow back toward the third base dugout, the hands are being pulled closer and closer to the shoulder.
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> (About Frame # 11 or 12) – Look at the hands/shoulder relationship as the elbow lowers 30 degrees – then 45 degrees. This is about the position I have a student start the “Thumb to the Shoulder Drill”
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> If you truly feel Boone and the other hitters are keeping his hands 8+ inches away from their shoulder as the elbow lowers, that’s ok with me. However I have seen great progress in students learning the principle of THT, BHT, CHP and the hook in the hand-path by practicing keeping their extended thumb touching the shoulder during initiation.
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> Jack Mankin
> Jack,
The overhead video of Rose hitting is identical to the Final Arc 2 video when you show John Elliot demonstrating bottom hand torque! Does it appear that Rose uses any THT?
bobo