Posted by: Jack Mankin (MrBatspeed@aol.com) on Tue Nov 23 18:22:06 2004

>>> jack, with all due respect, you are copping out....i didn't just make a legimate point, i pointed out a concerned that in all these years has NEVER been addressed, has always been ignored.....i said "i really think that during the knob to the pitcher phase there is not yet any acceleration taking place, because, after all, tht is a maneuver that takes place BEFORE the swing starts........grc.....

the question still remains: during the phase of the swing where the knob is headed towards the catcher, is it not true that the hitter has not quite started his swing yet? therefore how can there be any "acceleration"? movement, overcoming inertia, positioning/preparation for chp, yes, but ACCELERATION?

to simply say that you have already stated your position may be true for other issues dealing with tht, but this specific issue has NOT been addressed, ever.....perhaps tom.guery could answer my question if you (jack) won't.... <<<

Hi grc

You stated “jack, with all due respect, you are copping out....i didn't just make a legimate point, i pointed out a concerned that in all these years has NEVER been addressed, has always been ignored.....i said "i really think that during the knob to the pitcher phase there is not yet any acceleration taking place, because, after all, tht is a maneuver that takes place BEFORE the swing starts........grc.....

I have addressed points of your question with you many times. Below is just one example from the Swing Mechanics Page that you have had the opportunity to read for years. As I told you earlier, it is up to you to except or reject it. That is strictly your business, and frankly, it concerns me little whichever you choose.

Jack Mankin
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Re: THT
Posted by: Jack Mankin (mrbatspeed@aol.com on Mon Sep 8 15:14:35 2003

Question/Comment:

>>> Following is a link to a file with some frames showing my interpretation of THT. Please let us know if this is correct. How do you teach it? Is the que flatten the hands useful? (The file is best viewed in frame by frame mode)

(http://webpages.charter.net/nickkio/THT.mpg

Thanks, Nick >>>

Jack Mankin's reply:

Hi Nick:

In order to generate maximum bat speed at contact, the better hitters first accelerate the bat-head back toward the catcher before rotating and directing their energies at the ball. The purpose of Top-Hand-Torque is to apply forces to the bat that will accelerate the bat-head in an arc back toward the catcher. With many hitters, Bonds and Sosa to name a couple, the bat-head is accelerated back in two phases.

The first phase occurs prior to shoulder rotation and we refer to it as “Pre-launch” Torque. During this phase, the batter starts with the bat cocked forward toward the pitcher and has his hands some distance from the back-shoulder. Bonds, for example, starts with his hands low and forward from the back-shoulder. As he prepares the launch position, his hands (as a unit) are brought up and pulled to the back-shoulder.

The bat-head is being accelerated into the normal launch position by the top-hand being pulled back at a faster rate than the bottom hand (THT). Therefore, the hands as a unit are being pulled to the back-shoulder but the top-hand is moving faster, or, arcing around the bottom-hand. During the pre-launch phase, one can clearly see the top-hand being pulled up and back (or toward the catcher).

The second phase of THT occurs during initiation as shoulder rotation begins. The direction of force applied by the top-hand at initiation continues to be rearward, but shoulder rotation accelerates the hands (as a unit) around and forward. Therefore, once shoulder rotates begins, the hands (as a unit) are viewed moving forward, but the rearward directional force of the top-hand causes it (and the bat-head) to arc around the bottom-hand.

Many good hitters do not use pre-launch torque in their swings. They apply THT at initiation as described for the second phase. Since they are applying THT as the shoulder start turning, the hands (as a unit) will always be viewed moving forward. --- Nike, the clips you are showing has the batters starting with the bat at (or past) the normal launch position.

Note: With linear mechanics, at initiation, the direction of force of the top-hand and the hands (as a unit) are both forward. This results in a straighter hand-path. --- With THT, the rearward directional force of the top-hand results in the hand-path being directed more parallel with the catcher’s shoulders into a more circular hand-path (CHC).

Jack Mankin
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