Posted by: () on Sun Dec 3 17:21:21 2000

>>>About the inward turn...I know the hands get closer to the armpit, but during the turn do the arms go straight back, or slightly down, like in the Frame Picture. Or is the picture just an art mistake? --- Madmax <<<
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> > > > > > >>>Good question. I was wondering the same thing. So how about it, Jack, do the hands drop in an ideal inward turn? I have noticed that Canseco and some others do indeed drop their hands, while most players I have watched seem to raise thier hands almost to directly behind the ear before coming forward. Jack, we need your input here - your long absence is causing the blind to lead the blind (not a good thing)! -- JG<<<
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> > > > > > Max, I have often kidded Tom, our webmaster, about having a great eye for art but that his eye for a good swing leaves a lot to be desired.
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> > > > > > Hitters may start the inward turn with their hands moving upward or coming down. The important thing is to have the hands about shoulder height as rotation begins. This is especially true for hitters who use top-hand-torque. I have noted that even a few of the great hitters (Canseco, Big Mac, Strawberry, Eric Davis and others) go into some serious slumps while initiating the swing (shoulder rotation) with the hands below the normal plane of the swing.
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> > > > > > Starting the swing with the hands below the plane caused the bat-head to be accelerated in too much of a vertical angle - down through the plane instead of into it. Having the hands to low to early in the swing also caused a bind to occur in the wrist of the top hand. The back forearm must remain more vertical during initiation for the wrist to rotate freely in the plane. The binding that occurs when the wrist can't rotate in the plane resulted in what I termed "the reverse wrist roll." The plane of the swing was wobbly and the bat-head stalled at contact.
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> > > > > > During this period in time, Canseco, Big Mac and Strawberry also complained of back problems. I really think there may have been a connection. --- Joe A, even these great athletes couldn't make those mechanics work.
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> > > > > Do you mean that great athlete Jose Canseco who was once hit on the head with a fly ball he was trying to catch??
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> > > > > Jack, I have made comments about a comments that appears in many posts but have not recieived a reply. This has to do with the idea that some hitters swing up on the ball.
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> > > > > In your post above you comment that the hands are around the arm pit as the swing starts. The arm pit is above the higest strike. If the hands start out above any stride, how can a player hit up on the ball.
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> > > > > Its my contention that in order to swing up on a pitch the hands must be lowered to a point below the height of the pitch before the swing starts forward.
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> > > > > If not that, then the ..then swoop down and up on the ball. I don't think so.
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> > > > > I think that all hitters swing down on the ball to different degrees.
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> > > > >"the hands must be lowered to a point below the height of the pitch" ........if this is what joe a is advocating i would have to respectfully disagree.....imagine a hitter swinging at a strike at the knees....that means dropping the hands below the knees???!!!!............ "the swing starts with the hands above the path of the ball"......this statement is one i am in complete agreement with.........with all due respect, joe a, either (1)you have your concepts backwards or (2) your wording is not clear.....you seem to be suggesting that you support the statement "the hands must be lowered to a point below the height of the pitch".......and you seem to disagree with the statement "the swing starts with the hands above the path of the ball".......sorry if i fail to understand your point....the important thing is that we all agree that the first statement is absurd & that the second statement is correct......respectfully, grc....
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> > > ...just curious. The ML strike zone is from knees to belt buckle. Why don't MLeaguers hold the bat shoulder high instead of belt high, which is the top of the strike zone? At the time Ted Williams was playing, the strike was from knees to armpits. Why did he hold the bat as high as his belly button? strangely enough he could hit 400 with the bat starting below the top of the strike zone!
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> > >i assume the point of time in the swing that we are talking about is launch position.....that's when the swing is ready to be initiated......and assuming this is the case, i think it's pretty universally accepted that at launch position the hands are roughly at arm pit level.....this was one of charley lau's major contributions, showing, by film evidence that this was a common chacteristic among major leaguers.....regardless of where the hands are in the stance (high like yaztremski, low like williams), at launch position hands are at arm pit level.........i wonder if Joe A is getting confused with slow-pitch softball?....from casual observation of slow pitch softball, i have noticed hitters dipping way down to create an upswing, but i think that has to do with the arc of the incoming pitch......respectfully, grc....
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> I feel that I must commend you on the extraordinary patience you exhibit in your responses to certain juvenile, unreasoned posts on this site. Truly there are none so blind as those who will not see. By the way, I'm quite sure that I have figured out what the "A" in Joe A. stands for, and it's not Alpha... jlp


WHO CARES what Joe's last name is. I asked an inward turn question not what Joe's last name is! Jack, feel free to delete any post!
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