Posted by: grc () on Thu Apr 22 13:04:29 2004

> > >" Brian, You talk about good hitters not being good coaches. Williams and Epstein were both major leaguers, and were/are fine hitting coaches."
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> > Was he not speaking in a general sense rather than an absolute sense?
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> > "You talk about the good hitters teaching a linear swing.......name me a major league hitter who has a linear swing. You talk about the linear mechanics being taught by the pros, but I can't think of any linear swings in the big leagues......can you?"
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> > I thought that was his point?
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> > "Who taught the pros? Another thing.......you don't need to stick up for Jack Mankin. He is a fine hitting coach and people can figure that out on their own without your help."
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> > Brian isn't allowed an opinion regardless of it's wisdom?
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> > "Before you pick on the pro coaches, you should check into more of them and what they teach."
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> > I'm willing to witness that many instructors, some of them MLB vets, don't describe what I see the pros do.
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> > "Not all hitting coaches have internet sites or write books. You ever talk to Bobby Bonds about hitting?"
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> > Would be interesting no doubt. As is watching Barry in slow motion.
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> > "AS far as good hitters figuring things out in the batters box......that is what they do."
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> > Hmmm. Do the pros use video now? Can the pros go into the tunnel and study their swing after an at bat? Or is the box the ONLY useful classroom?
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> > Is Brian the only one guilty of slightly overstating his case?
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> Hi all,
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> Although I was never active in professional competition, the independent league that I played on featured many talented athletes, including a AA player, although we only faced his team once; therefore, I could not give you the name.
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> Yes, I am in pursuit of a Ph. D., but have tried my theory out on the softball field correctly. Also, contrary to some of the opinions expressed here, I have received accolades from many posters, including one who played in the big leagues for a couple years.
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> As for the beer league notion...well, I am a bonafide teetotaler. Review all my posts last month, and you will find that I achieved the highest statistical excellence using my ideas.
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> Also, remember that individuals who analyze the swing may use other formulas for computing the defects of my model. While I am not asking that you to agree or disagree with my radical delineations, I just ask you to accept the fact if one person believes one force is critical to the swing, while the critic disagrees with the model, the variation in calculating one formula can influence whether a person chooses to accept or rebuke a model. It happens all the time in statistics.
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> Finally, I want Jack to understand that I will analyze pull hitting until the end of this month.
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> Once the month expires, I believe another topic--as hinted by Brian--is ripe for discussions: how to compromise the almost flawless lower body mechanics taught by Mike Epstein with the superior upper body mechanics taught by Jack Mankin. In the past, it seems that either Mankin or Epstein was correct. Well, perhaps it is time to acknowledge both are correct, and use Mike's lower body mechanics to help facilitate Jack's powerful transfer mechanics.
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> I would also like to thank Brian that everybody has to right to speak freely, and produce their own rhetoric, rather than be the vantriloquist of some star who is "the signs of the times."
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> Thanks everybody who offered to join in my debate.
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> BHL

one thing i wish this board could get away from is the credentials thing...bonds, griffey, mac, mays, aaron, et al do not post at this board....no one poster has the credentials of a major league superstar, so all of us are more or less equal in the lack of credentials.... so.....what are we trying to accomplish by sharing ideas?....for some it may be an ego thing to show someone how much they think they know.... (these individuals are easily spotted because they are always the ones who seem to challenge everything anyone says on any subject but never themselves appear to be searching for any answers)...for some people, they are looking for one comprehensive model they can emulate....for most of us, though, i think we are always on the lookout for one nugget of information here or there that will help us fit the pieces together in our own personal model....