Posted by: Rory (daggar1@yahoo.com) on Mon Mar 31 21:38:14 2008

> Let's you and me go at it, Dave P.
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> Post any clip you want.
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> I used Jack's clip. I can use your clip. I can use ANY clip and prove my points.
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> Post yours.
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> It's on.

Yes, and please put them in hyperfastforward to rule out the chance of them being doctored.

I watched and watched and sorry. The lead forearm is not rolling or whatever term you want to use. As the back elbow drops and the forearm supinates the bat head drops into the swing plane. There is none of that "Churning the butter" movement your clip shows. The back of the lead hand is pretty much facing the stars up till contact and beyond.