Posted by: Rich () on Sun Mar 21 20:33:10 2004

> Can someone speak to the significance of the spine angle and how it can relate to power , pull through, rotation? Is it a teach? Don't see Ep or Jack discuss it but MLB players tend to get down there and explode outward. Am I really seeing this?
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> > > > > > > > It adds significantly to ones power. Yes, you are seeing it.
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> > > > > > > Sir before you make such a statement "It adds significantly to ones power" I think you should be prepared to back up your statement. You are not dealing with just girl's softball so any "advice" you dispense with could be heeded by hitters who have aspirations for the next level. This is serious stuff even if you may not be so please either retract your statement or back up your statement.
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> > > > > > Merv, I agree with you that the poor advice given should was not substantiated but at this site we have a trade off. If just the pros are allowed to give advice then true, we won't be hearing from Doug or Teacherman, but the problem is, we also won't be hearing from Tom or some of the others who do have advice worth listening to. Kind of like throwing out the baby along with the bathwater. Forget about trying to get retractions. These type of outlandish statements have been made before. Gotta take the bad with the good, just learn who has something to offer and who to ignore, you know what I mean?
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> > > > > I don't want to help pile up on Teacherman.I'm sure that to him, what he said means something, it's just that it doesn'y make any sense. Teacherman maybe you could reframe your statement. I don't want to be too quick to dismiss your statement if perhaps you were to clarify your remarks.
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> > > > Hey Club Members, if you'd get out some you'd realize that although Jack's site is very good, there is more information available.
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> > > > If you don't believe the bow/arch of the body adds significantly to ones power you haven't been studying much. To help your education study Bonds, Edmonds, Tejada, Soriano, McGwire, Sosa, Jeter, Giambi, Lugo, Anderson, Bagwell, Delgato, Pujols, Thome....just to name a few.
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> > > > Take your time. Go frame by frame. Don't assume you know everything. Then, get out of your chair, pick up a bat, and duplicate each frame with your own body. Video yourself, then compare yourself to the clips of those mlb players. You won't get close to their technique without some bow and arch. Yes, rotation is very important. Hip rotation is critical. Proper connection is vital. But you won't be able to duplicate the mlb swing without bow/arch.
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> > > > You don't have to apologize. Just start teaching properly.......and get out and about a little bit.
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> > > Come on guys out with it... i want a step by step explanation of the bow/arch. when does it start. what muscles does it involve. how does it transfer energy to the end of the bat??? regards, Rich
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> > First, the idea of rotation around a stationery axis is completely wrong. Before you go ballistic, I can prove it.
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> > What Jack means is there is no drift forward of the axis once rotation starts. I have no problem with that. But if you don't think the axis moves then how does a hitter get from his launch position (generally a balanced position with a little bend in the knees and some lean over the plate; i.e. axis is tilted over the plate) to his finish position (generally a balanced position with no lean over the plate, a straightened front leg with usually a slight lean back; i.e. axis tilted back toward the catcher).
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> > What did the axis do?
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> > How did it get from the launch position to the finish position?
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> > When did it move?
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> > And, what effect does this move have on power?
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> > The answers are on the internet. I'll let you guess where.
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> Teacherman I know you think you explained it but to be honest with you your explanation has some deficiencies, especially when it comes to clarity and logic.Maybe who we need is out there who has played at a higher level who can explain this term (unless you are the one who invented this term). Tom, Jack, does this term mean something to you, or is this another one of Nyman's terms?

Hey Bert,

I think the Teach is right on the money... did Paul coin the term bow/arch???

Damn i coined a term for it called the hip/thrust!!! and i did that 12 months ago... do i win??? can i have credit for this discovery? my daughter will attest to the validity... :-), :-) as we get older the art of communication should take on less ownership and more intention on the transfer of information.

Now take a rope and tie it to your bellybutton, no better yet tie it to your hips. now walk out and hand the other end to the pitcher. now tell the pitcher when your heel drops to pull on the rope quickly.

What happens? your hips are rotating and at the same time are being thrust towards the pitcher... that's why the back knee drops and the front knee straightens(also facilitates hip rotation). now you're looking at a strainght line from your front ankle thru your knee thru your hips thru your shoulders. but then you might want to arch a little more past the straight line which would be a great cue and we could call it the bow/arch :-) if it feels good do it. as a matter of fact that's a good cue for the rest of one's life. regards, Rich
P.S. if you don't thrust your hips you become a good canidate for linear type swinging...