Posted by: Art () on Sun Mar 7 10:23:40 2004

Hi All
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> > > > > > First some background. --- After charting professional hitter’s swings for two years, I took the collected data to different physics departments to gain an understanding of why some swing mechanics produced better results than others. It was decided that before we determined why some mechanics generated more bat-head acceleration, we must first define the forces acting on the bat that generated that acceleration.
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> > > > > > Once those forces were defined, we were better able to evaluate which mechanics could most efficiently supply those forces. This is why the mechanical principles at Batspeed.com (CHP, THT and BHT) are defined by the forces the mechanics apply to the bat and the trajectories produced.
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> > > > > > Keep in mind, the ultimate purpose of all swing mechanics is to apply forces to the bat that gain maximum bat-head acceleration into a predictable swing plane. Therefore, it is of little value for someone to write a post at this site proclaiming the value of a swing mechanic without explaining how it effects the bat’s trajectories and define the forces that are applied to the bat that produce those trajectories.
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> > > > > > As an example, its fine if you wish to proclaim the benefits of scap loading, as long as you describe the direction of bat-head acceleration attributed to scap loading and the forces the mechanic applies to the bat that generate that acceleration. --- If you wish to explain the kinesiology of the mechanic, another forum would be your better choice. Combining apples and oranges does not work.
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> > > > > Now you're stooping to the ridiculous. Tell me what force the stride puts on the bat. Can we talk about the stride? What force does loading put on the bat? None. It stretches muscles about to be used. Can we not talk about that?
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> > > > > Are you running from a difficult subject??? That's not like you.
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> > > > Teacherman, perhaps you could invite your hero (Nyman) back and he could explain it to you. Of course he ran away from the first discussion (that he started!)when he encountered a little heat so maybe he won't be willing to come back. I do have another suggestion, though: read all of the research materials at this site, buy Jack's tape and DVD, then you can ask questions.
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> > > For your information I have every tape or DVD that Jack has made. I also have many of his products. He still owes me two swing reviews. But, I haven't sent them in yet because my sons aren't there yet. I have Epsteins videos and book, Hudgeons videos (6 0r 7 of them), and his book. I have Teds book, Lau's book, and I have most everything SETPRO sells. I buy just about any reasonable piece of equipment that looks like it can help a kid hit. I have a Swing-A-Way, a Personal Pitcher, several different training tools. I have been given a Hands Back Hitter. I spend up to 2 hours per day on the internet keeping on top of the latest and newest. If you have anything else to recommend I might buy it also. You see, I don't have my head buried in the sand. I want to learn......and learn NOW.
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> > > Coming to this site (or any site), liking what you see and deeming it the holy grail, without looking at everything else, is an attempt to settle in (take the first thing that looks good), or find a home.
> > > It is NOT a sound attempt at learning. Many of you have found a home. Congratulations. Is that really what you were looking for? Or were you looking to learn how to hit, or teach hitting? And how many of you still take swings? I'm 49 and take swings almost everyday. What sounds good often just doesn't work. Like THT. (If you try it with your hands like the name implies). You wouldn't know that by just looking a video. How about swinging the bat a little more often? Then and only then can you intelligently comment on the latest theories.
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> > > And, I'd bet a milk shake, that if you'd do what I've done, you'd settle in where I've settled...........But then again, I don't really think hitting is the goal for many of you.
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> > Teacherman, you just don't get it, do you?Many of of us do want to learn, and many of us do have the same variety of info that you claim to have. The difference in many of us and you is that (1) you want to promote your hero's site (Nyman)whereas many of us feel that this is disrespectful. When you are a guest in someone's home you should behave like a guest (2) I have seen a lot of your posts. None of them suggest that you want to learn, and to the contrary all of them suggest that you want US to learn from YOU. Well, frankly, you are no Jack Mankin, aka Mr. Batspeed, and so many of us choose to ignore you. Sorry if that hurts your feelings. (3) You might come across a little better in your posts if you would just use some manners.
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> In case you've never considered it, a bunch of guys sitting in a room and agreeing on everything is not what I call learning. It's closer to burying your head in sand than it is to learning. Until someone is challenged creative thought is not there.
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> When challenged you have to defend. If you can, great. And everyone benefits. If you can't....well, everyone learns again. I'm still waiting on a couple of issues to be clarified instead of "buried in the sand". Those include max batspeed and the whip effect and the existance of tht. Nothing ever gets settled. Questions get tough and answere get scarce.

Your questions might get answered if you would ask with the right ATTITUDE. Good manners and an admission that your knowledge is deficient could go a long ways. (You can catch more flies with honey than vinegar). Why don't we start all over and forget about your past. Obviously your boss (Nyman) has not provided you with the answers you seek. Go ahead and ask your questions WITH THE RIGHT ATTITUDE (like not being rude and boorish), and maybe Jack, Tom, John Elliott, RQL , Melvin, GRC, Nick and others will be willing to help you. Deal?