Posted by: Coach C () on Fri Nov 7 09:17:58 2003

I think the lead elbow gets stabilized in the swing plane and applies torque opposing the top hand by "internal rotation" of the lead arm.This joint motion is necessary to get the bony point of the elbow pointing into the plane of the swing and not down to the ground."pronation" of the forearm won't do it.Tilt of the body won't do it unless it is extremely excessive,and even then there can't be tight connection.That elbow knob/bone has to point forward from launch to approach to contact.The lead arm has to internally rotate and stay there to do it.
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> > > > When you say, "stay there", it sounds like you feel it should be attached to the body. The lead elbow must be free to slide across the body to free up the shoulder turn (especially on inside pitches). The lead arm works independent of the torso (not attached), but it works with the torso in unison. Tom this is why some great hitters feel their hands in the swing. If the arms work correctly (elbows included), the hands are free to feel fast. If one does not achieve the independent freedom of the front shoulder socket/elbow, the elbows snap and hand speed is the wrong cue. In addition, I couldn't disagree more with your assesment on body tilt. Spine tilt is accomplished in four ways forward, back, or side to side. In all great hitters/golfers the shoulder plane always matches the tilt of the spine from the waist. It's when the arms/bat are doing something different from the shoulder plane that hitters/golfers struggle. As for hip-cock, it can not be taught, without the correct impression of how the arms should work. Teach how the arms should work and hip-cock works automatically. In the case of my Son, who slots the elbow fairly well, never once has he been told to use his hips (yet he cocks his hips), if I said swing harder the hips would cock even more. However, if you teach linear/hands hitters to cock there hips, they will disconnect every time, because the arms are doing something different. Get the arm piece down and the hips work naturally, it's never been a two step process, even in golf. Look at Guerrero's clip and you'll see his lead elbow working independent of the shoulder turn after contact. Call it "follow through scap load" if you want.
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> > > I'm not getting the significance of the lead elbow action "after contact". Who cares? Does it say something was wrong before contact? If so, what? And an elbow pointing down during a swing almost has to lead to rollover.
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> > > I have no video clip (over 100) that shows anyone hitting with their lead elbow pointing down.
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> > Yes, the hands are working incorrectly.
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> > Your looking in the wrong area....look at the follow through and tell me where the elbow points. You are missing the point, that Tom has already figured out. Try to be quicker Teacherman.
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Teacherman? What is Tom????????????? No pleas for help, now get back in the ring. I'm just kidding. I'd have to show you via in person or us sitting down looking at video. Probably not going to happen, but who knows. Anyway, achieving the positon I talked about has really helped a lot of kids stay on plane with the ball. I do think your missing it, but if you're doing everything correctly, then I'm sure you arrive at this same position. Post your swing and we'll see! Are you willing to do that?

Thanks,

Coach C