Posted by: hal () on Tue Oct 21 06:58:16 2003

> seano-
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> > > > Do you still have your clips from the Cape Cod league ?
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> > > > It might be interesting for people to look at those as a range of styles/techniques.
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> > > > I believe,as you may know,that there is a universal back arm action sequence that is the same for overhand throw and rotational hitting pre-swing(up to a point,of course).Furthermore,this action must be synchronized with lower body action.This "arm action" leads/controls the preswing loading.Arm action is king in the same sense that it is in Nyman's overhand throw model(although he does not see it this way for hitting).Don't confuse this with getting overactive/prematurely extending the arms.It's all about how the big muscles position and move the entire shoulder/arm/hand "link" and how this works with the lower body "hip link" to load and set up launch.The sequence is described well for throwing by Hodge/Biomechanic Baseball.Nyman adds the crucial connection to the torso interms of scap loading.Do this sequence right and synch it with the lower body well and you will be more likely to find your personal best swing.You will probably notice an "affinity" for some sucessful major league role model due to some type of similarity you recognize/value.In that case you can proceed with further trial and error emulating what the role model does.There are a number of role models who do things well.As JAck has noted,more and more do good preswing/laucn THT.To do this,I think they all have to have the sequence and synchronization just as you do for overhand throw.They can look fairly different due to their individuality/uniqueness.
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> > > > I think this action can be taught interms of how and when to cock and uncock the bat/how the back arm is lowered into the slot/how the lead arm participates,etc.It can be worked on backwards and forwards,just as in throwing.How to structure this is clarified by Jack's teasing out the rotational vs torque components of the swing.
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> > > Hi
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> > > I think Nyman's thoughts have come under some doubt, with good reason. Scap loading? The scapula is a bone. What is being loaded and where is it being taken? What does it have to do with hitting?
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> > > Melvin
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> > The hip is a bone also. Ever heard of loading the hip?
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> > There is no doubt about scap loading. But there are many many people who don't know what it is. Sounds like you may be one of them.
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> > Go to Setpro.com and read the public forum. You'll find the answers you're looking for.
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> Hello
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> I have read the Nyman material extensively over a period of years, and have read it again.
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> I have to ask: whether "hip loading" or "skap loading," what is being loaded?
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> Why is it called loading? Why is it called "skap"? There are lots of other muscles and bones involved.
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> Loading presupposes unloading? When does a a hitter "unload" and in what fashion, and what is being unloaded?
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> As for throwing, there is plenty of doubt about Nyman's shoulder blade theory. Mike Marshall, for one. How does Nyman's model satify Newton's Three Laws? What is his training? It appears that his occupation is as an adapter of already existing electronic measurement technology.
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> Jack Mankin has worked to substantiate his reporting with the laws of physics. Mike Marshall is a PhD in the laws of motion, with a concentration in applied anatomy that allows him to connect the dots. What is Nyman's basis? He appears to be just windwilling out there, firing out all sorts of jargon he invented from watching the good players.
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> He appears to be another pseudo-scientist with a PayPal account.
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> "He appears to be just windwilling out there, firing out all sorts of jargon he invented from watching the good players.". Excuse me, but isn't that what ALL of US do at this site? Nothing wrong with it as long as none of us pretend that we know any more than the other fellow, and as long as we don't pretend that it is all opinion based on opinion and not science.
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