Posted by: Blitzfastpitch (blitzfastpitch) on Wed Jul 9 14:19:12 2003

I still cant see the logic of how you can develop 85mph bat speed and hitting an immovable object like a heavy bag without strain on the joints, namely the wrists and elbows upon initial contact. Especially a bag filled with sand. I had this problem while using the bag with my speed meter and filling the bag with foam helped a great deal. Its about like a car traveling 85mph and hitting a brick wall unless you apply the brakes before contact. The force is absorbed in the joints.
I love the bag drill in helping to solve lunging problems but jack have you ever trained in the bag using the speedmeter taking 100 swings a day while working on developing your ultimate batspeed?
Maybe im working it wrong but my batspeed is higher while driving into the bag instead of depleting engery before contact.. I would love comments from others that use the bag for developing batspeed as a training aid.. By the way im over 40yrs old and use it to train for baseball as well as the girls I coach.

>>> I guess the tire hitting might depend upon the player's age/strength. If too young (< 10?), it might be too much shock for tender/growing wrists and other body parts.
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> Though I have a friend in his late 30s, whose Dad setup a tire for him when he was about 10 or 11. The next season he hit 8 HRs, after having never hit one. Was it the tire or just an extra year of growth? (likely a bit of both)
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> Having read about another option, I've let our players hit a deflated soccer ball off a tee to try to get a similar feeling of "having to follow through", but w/ less strain for youngsters.
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> Hi Sandman
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> I will have to disagree with you about the value of teaching a “Follow through” or hitting deflated soccer balls. Below is a post from the archives that explains the basis of my disagreement.
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> > I have noticed from reading posts on other forums that there is some confusion regarding the correct use of the "heavy bag." Many coaches seem to think the batter attempts to develop a more powerful swing by driving through the bag or causing the bag to move or swing. These coaches equate hitting the heavy bag to that of hitting deflated basketballs or similar objects, but nothing could not be farther from the truth. The principles to be learned from the heavy bag drills are completely opposite to mechanics developed from swinging at tossed deflated basketballs.
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> The concepts surrounding the "follow-through" or coast-out phase of the swing have long been misunderstood. Coaches have been taught that to hit the ball hard the batter must continue to drive through the ball well after contact. So it is quite understandable why many coaches would adopt drills that would require the batter to continue "pushing" the bat through the follow-through phase. For example, to propel a deflated basketball forward would require that the basketball remain in contact with the bat for an extended time where the bat could move forward 8 or more inches after the initial contact. Swinging at deflated basketballs would definitely require that the batter continue applying energy to the bat well after contact.
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> Hitting a baseball is a very different story. The baseball is only in contact with the bat for approximately 1/2000 of a second and the bat moves forward less than 3/4 of an inch. Therefore, any energy applied to the bat after contact has NO effect on the ball's flight and is wasted energy. Good transfer mechanics will deplete all bat speed-generating energy prior to or by contact. Depleting all energies that generate bat speed by contact is a major difference between average hitters and great hitters. The mechanics of the weaker hitter develops bat speed much later in the swing and continues to apply forces to the bat well after passing the contact point. That is why so many hitters have little power to the opposite field and most of their better-hit balls are pulled foul.
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> The purpose of using a heavy bag to absorb the bat's energy at the contact point is to train the batter to expend all bat speed-generating energy (rotational and torque) prior to or by contact. Good transfer mechanics and timing will have the batter depleting his rotational and torque energy as the bat-head reaches maximum velocity. -- Stated another way, all the energy has been sucked out of the system as maximum bat speed is reached.
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> Therefore, after all of the body's energy has been transferred into bat speed, the body and limb muscles are at rest. The hip and shoulder rotation is complete – the lead-arm pull and back-forearm lowering to horizontal (the "L" position) is complete -- the hand-path has slowed to a stop -- there is NO energy being applied to the bat -- the bat's energy has been expended into the heavy bag -- all motion has ceased -- all muscles are relaxed. Thus, you now have a frozen frame of the batter’s mechanics at contact.
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> This is not the case with weaker hitters. Improper initiation of the swing (for example, thrusting the top-hand forward) quickly places the batter behind the power curve and he or she is left trying to develop bat speed after the bat reaches contact. Striking the heavy bag with tense arms that are still driving forward can cause discomfort to the hands and wrist. I would advise taking it easy until the batters' transfer mechanics improve.
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> I think you can now see that the mechanics developed while swinging at deflated basketballs are quite different than those used in the heavy bag drill. A batter’s progress will be slowed when hitting any object that requires the batter to reserve energy for a powerful follow-through. In a good swing, the bat's momentum will pull the body and limbs through the coast-out phase of the swing, not reserved energy. <
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> Jack Mankin
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