Posted by: Jack Mankin (MrBatspeed@aol.com) on Sun Jan 13 09:00:51 2008

>>> Jack,

I'm sorry but I couldn't get that clip of Bonds to play, but I have seen hundreds of clips of Bonds hitting. The seperation is created by a couple of things;

the inward turn of the lead shoulder
the lead hip clearing
the resistance of the hips rotation from the shoulders

Now I hear what you are saying but as the front hip is clearing or opening, I agree the shoulders will start to move but what I see is the lateral tilting taking place. Saying that the shoulders rotate IMO is somewhat misleading. They may rotate but not horizontally, not parrelel to the ground. They are rotating vertically, they are then rotated diagonally.

The hips rotate parrelel to the ground independent of the shoulders and the shoulders rotate vertically but can only go so far until they connect to the hips, now they are turned diagonally through the zone. This rotating vertically (tilting) adds to the stretch and allows you to keep your shoulders closed longer. <<<

Hi Graylon

Is it just this clip you have not been able to play, or all the clips that I have posted? If you have not been able to see my clips, it could explain a lot of our disagreements. I will post another clip where I discuss the difference between “tilting” and the shoulder rotation about a tilted axis. Let me know you cannot play the clip. You may need to install software that can play wmv files.

Bonds shoulder tilt

Jack Mankin