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Re: Re: Pitching vs Hitting Mechanics – cont.


Posted by: george stanley (saint_george13@yahoo.com) on Thu Dec 20 14:17:32 2007


> > Hi All
> >
> > Over next the few weeks, I will post video clips that address many of the topics of our latest discussions. The first clip will address the assumption that pitching and batting mechanics are so similar that the principles that apply to one are also true for the other. Below are exerpts from our discussion and a video clip that illustrates our differences.
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> > (George)
> > hitting is just like throwing.. the mechanics are pretty much the same. when you throw a pitch, you use the rubber to push off your power or back leg...imagine pitchers who just stood there with no forward stride & just slung the ball up there... shouldn't you do the same thing when you hit?.. yes! bend your knee & push off your back toe... DO NOT STAND FLATFOOTED! REMEMBER MASS X SPEED = ENERGY. so just like throwing a pitch, push off your back leg & get your body mass going forward.. the faster, the greater the energy you are generating toward the ball..to stand stock still with no forward motion means you are generating NO energy whatsoever!!! HELLO?!?!?!
> > ##
> >
> > (Jack Mankin)
> > This illustrates just one of the problems of equating the mechanics of pitching a ball to that of swinging a bat. To say that since the development of forward momentum is required in pitching, it must also be true for hitting is misleading. Keep in mind that in hitting, forward movement of the body ceases at foot-plant and the batter rotates about a stationary axis. Whereas, in pitching, the upper-body continues to move forward after foot-plant and the pitcher rotates about a forward tilting axis.
> >
> > Many of the posts I have read appear to claim that the mechanics of pitching and hitting are basically the same and therefore what is true for one is also true for the other. I have always had trouble with comparing principles found in pitching a ball to the mechanics of the baseball swing. It seems to me that the dynamics of throwing a 5-ounce baseball with one hand would demand very different body and limb trajectories than those required to swing a 33-ounce bat with two hands.
> >
> > Look at the clip and draw your own conclusions.
> >
> > <a href="http://www.batspeed.com/media/Momentum_Pitching-v-Hitting.wmv">Pitching vs hitting mechanics</a --
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> >
> > Jack Mankin
>
> Hey Jack,
> George I'd likle to talk about how these hitters are not making adjustments and honestly feels if these pro hitters spent time with him they would probably hit 600 against the best pitching in the world. I get criticized when I say you are what you are. It's true especially these hitters that are 24 25 years old. George probably never heard of muscle memory. Two weeks even a year in a cage would not change someones swing. Thousands and thousands of swings later you can't change it very much. You could in a cage for a little bit but in a game situation facing a pitcher that will get it to the plate than lees of a second you will do what you always do. So hitters in the bigs realize that and try to lay off pitches they can't hit. Pitchers miss all the time and big league hitters make them pay for it. And for the last time George stances do not matter. You could even step in the bucket and be successful. As far as I know Nomar Garciaparra said it years ago we are all all stars playing in this league. They are the 1 percent of the population playing baseball. Bagwell squat ed and had a huge stance and still was one of the best hitters of my time. How could you criticize guys like him. I hope George's young students parents realize he is an idiot before they are who they are.

notice to all:

MIKE IS RIGHT!!! I AM ALL WRONG!!!! I AM THE IDIOT ON THIS SITE!!
you are what you are gonna be... IT IS ALL DESTINY!!!
EITHER YOU ARE DESTINED TO BE AN MLB HITTER OR NOT... NOTHING YOU CAN DO CAN EITHER MAKE YOU BETTER SO YOU MAKE IT OR WORSE SO YOU NEVER GET THERE!! just pray a lot when you are a little kid..that'll get you in MLB...

MUSCLE MEMORY RULES ALL, INCLUDING YOUR BRAIN!! NOTHING ELSE EVEN STEROIDS WILL HELP YOU!!!
PRACTICE OR A DIFFERENT MINDSET WILL MAKE NO DIFFERENCE WHATSOEVER!!!
SO NEVER MIND BATTING PRACTICE.. JUST COME OUT & PLAY BALL 2 MINUTES BEFORE THE GAME STARTS..

YOUR STANCE MAKES NO DIFFERENCE!{never mind that the 2 guys in the league with the most open stances have the fewest HR/AB... (counsell,1HR/120AB lifetime.. kendall 4HR/last1500AB)...just a coincidence.. there is no correlation whatsoever}.. SO DARE TO BE DIFFERENT!!! YEAH!! LAY ON YOUR STOMACH WITH YOUR FEET POINTED AT THE PITCHER & STICK THE BAT IN YOUR BUTTCRACK & SWING THE BAT WITH YOUR GLUTES.. YOU'LL DO JUST AS WELL AS ANY OTHER WAY YOU CAN THINK OF.. BUT ANY OLD WAY WILL DO... DESTINY sez you're gonna be an MLB hitter right?

DO NOT CRITICIZE ANYONE LIKE JEFF BAGWELL, WHO NEVER EVER USED HIS LEGS & WAS ALL ARMS & SHOULDERS (until the day his shoulder fell out of the socket & he disappeared overnight)

I AM AN IDIOT TO THINK THAT HARD SMART WORK WILL GIVE YOU A CHANCE.. ACCORDING TO MIKE THE ULTIMATE AUTHORITY, NOT SO.
EITHER YOU WILL OR YOU WON'T BE ONE OF ABOUT 500 POSITION PLAYERS IN MLB OUT OF 300,000,000 PEOPLE (NOT 1%, MIKE.. actually 1.67/10,000 of one percent is more like it.. you weren't off more than about 10,000%)

SO ALL YOU GUYS... NEVER MIND ALL THIS THINKING & PRACTICING.. IT WON'T MAKE ANY INFLUENCE ON WHETHER OR NOT YOU GET TO MLB..never mind fine-tuning your stance or swing... IT IS ALREADY PRE-ORDAINED..

ALSO: shut down this site & never mind all this batting theory stuff.. it's irrelevant... everybody go home & have a beer, & show up 2 minutes before the games starts, & play.. yeah. you'll be just fine.


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