Bat Speed -- Baseball Hitting Forum

Posted by: Mike (reyg121@yahoo.com) on Fri Dec 14 18:26:03 2007

> > Barry Bonds DOES drop his hands a foot, do a circle hitch with his hands & draw back his arms & hands a foot or so before FINALLY launching his swing.. Jack Mankin. How come everyone argues with these mechanics when many of the greatest hitters have these mechanics. George Stanley how can you argue this. The frame by frame video does not lie. You would say that someone who DOES drop his hands a foot, do a circle hitch with his hands & draw back his arms & hands a foot or so before FINALLY launching his swing will be late to the baseball why? Watch Chipper right before the ball comes small hitch with his hands before they go circular. He doesn't just put his hands in a launch position already like you put your hitters. Sheffield bat is towards second base while the ball is half way there how come he isn't late? These mechanics are what major league hitters do everyday to hit the ball 400 feet. During batting practice with wood and if your hitting the ball 400 feet your probably generating bat speed through rotational mechanics. Watch video of griffey he hits hR to right field with pitches that are away from him with a long circular path to pull an outside pitch for a bomb. His hands are so far back he is a Barred arm George the whole entire swing. Explain to me how hitters in the bigs with barred arms still hit? The answer is rotational mechanics. All hitters that generate major bat speed have these same mechanics. They are good because of it.
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> hey mikey!
>
> a hitch is a hitch is a hitch... just because a great hitter does it, does not make it right... the mentality of monkey-see-monkey-do is WRONG WRONG WRONG... lose that mentality!!! just because you say the guy is wonderful does not make it so...you want to lick all these guys' asses & say how wonderful they are, but you conveniently want to gloss over the fact they ALL FAIL TO GET A HIT 7 TIMES OUT OF 10... & in real terms pop up, foul off, or miss completely 5 out of 6 swings... that is a lot of room for improvement..
> TRUE, the camera does not lie... the frequency of popping up, fouling off & missing is FAR MORE FREQUENT than hitting the ball on the button... i don't want to talk about the 26 times a hitter gets a hit, i want to talk about the 74 times he fails.. THE PREPONDERANCE OF EVIDENCE SHOWS THEY ARE LATE FAR MORE TIMES THAN THEY HIT THE BALL ON THE BUTTON... HELLO?!?!?! THEREFORE THERE ARE FAR MORE FREQUENT INCIDENTS WHERE THE HITTER IS LATE!! you ask me why?!?!?.. BECAUSE THE STATISTICS SAY SO!!!... hello?!?!?
>
> all good hitters are hitting mistakes... that is, when they get a certain pitch in a certain spot, they don't miss it.. that is where they thrive... but a smart pitcher gets them most of the time by pitching to a ANOTHER certain spot where they are guaranteed not to be able to get there on time, so, they will be late...you want to conveniently ignore the countless times they miss pitches they should be driving... due to the dropping the hands, circle hitch & drawing the bat back AFTER the pitch is released. that works on a limited number of pitches in certain spots, but fails on the FAR MORE frequent certain pitches in certain OTHER spots...in other words they eat the bear ONCE IN A WHILE, but 5 swings out of 6, THE BEAR EATS YOU.
> if you got a chance to talk to ANY of those guys, they would all tell you as good as they are, they would love to improve.. otherwise, they're lying.. they would ALL admit they need to be doing better on certain pitches... but they cannot figure out why they always fail.. that is obvious, because if they could change the outcome, they would.. but they can't.. the reason is they cannot identify the reason they failing to hit certain pitches in certain spots.you make it sound like there is absolutely no room for improvement for these guys, they are all perfect... NOT!
> THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE WINNERS & THE LOSERS IS THE WINNDERS ARE
> ALWAYS TRYING TO IDENTIFY THE WEAKNESSES IN THEIR STANCE & SWING, & TRYING TO ELIMINATE THEM.. SO THEY WILL IMPROVE.
> to a smart pitcher, gary sheffield is the easiest out in town.. he is constantly waving his bat, trying to time a fastball.. all you have to do is have a little hitch in your delivery, or throw him off speed breaking balls, he is way out in front..or quicken your delivery. the only time you throw him a FB is on the first pitch above the belt inner half, which he will foul off for an automatic strike 1.. the only time you throw a FB after that is after 3 offspeed pitches, or with 2 strikes.
> i endorse rotational mechanics... i don't know where you get the idea i do not..ken griffey has one of the fastest bats around... the main reason is he has his hands in tight, which will generate greater batspeed than when you extend your arms... he hits HR on outside pitches because he keeps his hands in tight AS LONG AS POSSIBLE before altering his swing to catch the outside pitch.. hands in tight will generate the maximum initial batspeed... most hitters do not understand the quicker the bat starts out, the greater the acceleration rate.. THAT IS WHY YOU DO NOT WIND UP & BUGGYWHIP ON THE DRAWBACK..that is what makes griffey a great hitter.keeping the hands low leaves to him susceptible to pitches up in the zone.. the trick is to leave them alone, then he won't be late.
> you guys are all lost on the basic mentality.. the stance & swing governs what CERTAIN PITCHES IN CERTAIN SPOTS you can hit on the button & what you will be late on..
> the trick is to eliminate the actions which will make late to that certain pitch in a certain spot... that is where you will improve... i am not about saying all these hitters are perfect, because they are not.. i am about identifying the weaknesses THAT ALL HITTERS HAVE, NO MATTER WHAT YOUR NAME OR HOW BIG YOUR PAYCHECK OR HOW MANY HRs YOU HIT, & trying to make adjustments which will get you to more pitches on time... since ALL hitters fail to get a hit on 5 out of 6 swings,
> that sounds to me like the place to look for improvement..
>
> you would rather be the monkey-see-monkey-do & folllow all the other sheep... fine. be an average ordinary unremarkable .260 hitter..
> if you think outside the box like einstein did, you might be able to form your own atomic theory.. if you do nor conceive of improvement or success you will not achieve them..
>
> that is what i hope for everyone.. but it takes a different mindset to achieve it... do you have it?

Hey Georgy,
Unbelievable that you can sit and and say that these hitters that I mention have room for improvement. All these hitters that I mention all have the same mechanics and all hit more hr's than any of your students ever will and win many batting titles. Monkey say Monkey do is a ridiculous analogy. Explain to me if there mechanics are so bad why they continue to be the best hitters in the world? And don't say it's because they are the only ones in the world who could hit like that. If you had sheffeild's exact mechanics you would have been a bi league hitter. And also don't even say steroids. These hitters are great because of what they do mechanically each and every pitch in a hundred and 62 game season. You can't even answer me why these hitters are so successful but in your opinion are doing many things wrong. Just because a hitters fails doesn't mean he did not do his job. We are not talking about hits here a hitters number one job is to hit the bar hard and if it gets caught it gets caught. SO if a hitter hits 260 in the show he is a very good hitter as long as he has 20 plus and 80 plus, than he is a solid major leaguer. If he hits 300 and the same power the 260 guy hit than he is a tremendous hitter in the show. In my opinion no one will ever hit 400 again because of the way the game has changed so much. The game doesn't care about average it only care about power. If you hit 280 with 40 hrs and 100 rbi you are a great player. 280 and above is a great mark. George how come ted will ams pulled hr's that were away from him? I'll tell you one thing had a huge hand path and did not keep his hands close to his body like you say.

> best of luck to you

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> > > Barry Bonds DOES drop his hands a foot, do a circle hitch with his hands & draw back his arms & hands a foot or so before FINALLY launching his swing.. Jack Mankin. How come everyone argues with these mechanics when many of the greatest hitters have these mechanics. George Stanley how can you argue this. The frame by frame video does not lie. You would say that someone who DOES drop his hands a foot, do a circle hitch with his hands & draw back his arms & hands a foot or so before FINALLY launching his swing will be late to the baseball why? Watch Chipper right before the ball comes small hitch with his hands before they go circular. He doesn't just put his hands in a launch position already like you put your hitters. Sheffield bat is towards second base while the ball is half way there how come he isn't late? These mechanics are what major league hitters do everyday to hit the ball 400 feet. During batting practice with wood and if your hitting the ball 400 feet your probably generating bat speed through rotational mechanics. Watch video of griffey he hits hR to right field with pitches that are away from him with a long circular path to pull an outside pitch for a bomb. His hands are so far back he is a Barred arm George the whole entire swing. Explain to me how hitters in the bigs with barred arms still hit? The answer is rotational mechanics. All hitters that generate major bat speed have these same mechanics. They are good because of it.
> > 
> > hey mikey!
> > 
> > a hitch is a hitch is a hitch... just because a great hitter does it, does not make it right... the mentality of monkey-see-monkey-do is WRONG WRONG WRONG... lose that mentality!!! just because you say the guy is wonderful does not make it so...you want to lick all these guys' asses & say how wonderful they are, but  you conveniently want to gloss over the fact they ALL FAIL TO GET A HIT 7 TIMES OUT OF 10... & in real terms pop up, foul off, or miss completely 5 out of 6 swings... that is a lot of room for improvement.. 
> > TRUE, the camera does not lie... the frequency of popping up, fouling off & missing is FAR MORE FREQUENT  than hitting the ball on the button... i don't want to talk about the 26 times a hitter gets a hit, i want to talk about the 74 times he fails.. THE PREPONDERANCE OF EVIDENCE SHOWS THEY ARE LATE FAR MORE TIMES THAN THEY HIT THE BALL ON THE BUTTON...  HELLO?!?!?! THEREFORE THERE ARE FAR MORE FREQUENT INCIDENTS WHERE THE HITTER IS LATE!! you ask me why?!?!?..  BECAUSE THE STATISTICS SAY SO!!!... hello?!?!?
> > 
> > all good hitters are hitting mistakes... that is, when they get a certain pitch in a certain spot, they don't miss it..  that is where they thrive... but a smart pitcher gets them most of the time by pitching to a ANOTHER certain spot where they are guaranteed not to be able to get there on time, so, they will be late...you want to conveniently ignore the countless times  they miss pitches they should be driving... due to the dropping the hands, circle hitch & drawing the bat back AFTER the pitch is released. that works on a limited number of pitches in certain spots, but  fails on the FAR MORE frequent certain pitches in certain OTHER spots...in other words they eat the bear ONCE IN A WHILE, but 5 swings out of 6, THE BEAR EATS YOU. 
> > if you got a chance to talk to ANY of those guys, they would all tell you as good as they are, they would love to improve.. otherwise, they're lying.. they would ALL admit they need to be doing  better on certain pitches... but they cannot figure out why they always fail.. that is obvious, because  if they could change the outcome, they would.. but they can't.. the reason is they cannot identify the reason they failing to hit certain pitches in certain spots.you make it sound like there is absolutely no room for improvement for these guys, they are all perfect... NOT!
> > THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE WINNERS & THE LOSERS IS THE WINNDERS ARE
> > ALWAYS TRYING TO IDENTIFY THE WEAKNESSES IN THEIR STANCE & SWING, & TRYING TO ELIMINATE THEM.. SO THEY WILL IMPROVE.
> > to a smart pitcher, gary sheffield is the easiest out in town.. he is constantly waving his bat, trying to time a fastball.. all you have to do is have a little hitch in your delivery, or throw him off speed breaking balls, he is way out in front..or quicken your delivery. the only time you throw him a FB is on the first pitch above the belt inner half, which he will foul off for an automatic strike 1.. the only  time you throw a FB after that is after 3 offspeed pitches, or with 2 strikes. 
> > i endorse rotational mechanics... i don't know where you get the idea i do not..ken griffey has one of the fastest bats around... the main reason is he has his hands in tight, which will generate greater batspeed than when you extend your arms... he hits HR on outside pitches because he keeps his hands in tight AS LONG AS POSSIBLE before altering his swing to catch the outside pitch.. hands in tight will generate the maximum initial batspeed... most hitters do not understand the quicker the bat starts out, the greater the acceleration rate.. THAT IS WHY YOU DO NOT WIND UP & BUGGYWHIP ON THE DRAWBACK..that is what makes griffey a great hitter.keeping the hands low leaves to him susceptible to pitches up in the zone.. the trick is to leave them alone, then he won't be late.
> > you guys are all lost on the basic mentality.. the stance & swing governs what CERTAIN PITCHES IN CERTAIN SPOTS you can hit on the button & what you will be late on.. 
> > the trick is to eliminate the actions which will make late to that certain pitch in a certain spot... that is where you will improve... i am not about saying all these hitters are perfect, because they are not.. i am about identifying the weaknesses THAT ALL HITTERS HAVE, NO MATTER WHAT YOUR NAME OR HOW BIG YOUR PAYCHECK OR HOW MANY HRs YOU HIT, & trying to make adjustments which will get you to more pitches on time... since ALL hitters fail to get a hit on 5 out of 6 swings,
> > that sounds to me like the place to look for improvement.. 
> > 
> > you would rather be the monkey-see-monkey-do & folllow all the other sheep... fine. be an average ordinary unremarkable .260 hitter..
> > if you think outside the box like einstein did, you might be able to form your own atomic theory.. if you do nor conceive of improvement or success you will not achieve them..
> > 
> > that is what i hope for everyone.. but it takes a different mindset to achieve it... do you have it?  
> 
> Hey Georgy, 
>             Unbelievable that you can sit and and say that these hitters that I mention have room for improvement. All these hitters that I mention all have the same mechanics and all hit more hr's than any of your students ever will and win many batting titles. Monkey say Monkey do is a ridiculous analogy.  Explain to me if there mechanics are so bad why they continue to be the best hitters in the world? And don't say it's because they are the only ones in the world who could hit like that. If you had sheffeild's exact mechanics you would have been a bi league hitter. And also don't even say steroids. These hitters are great because of what they do mechanically each and every pitch in a hundred and 62 game season. You can't even answer me why these hitters are so successful but in your opinion are doing many things wrong. Just because a hitters fails doesn't mean he did not do his job. We are not talking about hits here a hitters number one job is to hit the bar hard and if it gets caught it gets caught. SO if a hitter hits 260 in the show he is  a very good hitter as long as he has 20 plus and 80 plus, than he is a solid major leaguer. If he hits 300 and the same power the 260 guy hit than he is a tremendous hitter in the show. In my opinion no one will ever hit 400 again because of the way the game has changed so much. The game doesn't care about average it only care about power. If you hit 280 with 40 hrs and 100 rbi you are a great player. 280 and above is a great mark. George how come  ted will ams pulled hr's that were away from him? I'll tell you one thing had a huge hand path and did not keep his hands close to his body like you say.
> 
> > best of luck to you

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