Posted by: Mister X () on Wed Apr 23 19:37:22 2003

No Name,
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> > > > > Perhaps it can't be seen (it can in slo-mo), and perhaps it can't be taught.
> > > > > Perhaps genetics play a greater role. Perhaps only a natural swinger has it.
> > > > > The question is:
> > > > > Can you not have both a circular hand path AND a top-hand that drives past the bottom-hand just before contact?
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> > > > > ray porco
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> > > > The circular hand path has very little to do with the hands. If you rotate your body, you will have some kind of circular hand path. In the correct swing, the hands do not change their relationship to the rest of the body. They just "hold on for the ride" as the body rotates.
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> > > > As far as your question, I guess the answer would have to be yes. But, I don't believe that is the best way to do it. If the top hand drives past the bottom hand just before contact, that means you "roll over". As you roll over, you should notice that the bat changes its position and raises. This will most likely cause you to hit ground balls, because you will hit the top half of the ball. Most weak grounders to the left side (for a righty) are because of roll over. In the correct swing, roll over doesn't happen until way after contact, in the follow through.
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> > > To the guy without a name: for your information,the circular hand path has a lot to do with the hands. I don't want to sound sarcastic, but if the circular hand path has nothing to do with the hands, what does it have to do with, the ears, the nose or what? True,if you rotate the body you will get some kind of circular hand path, as you say. But we are talking about DEGREE. If you swing a bat willy-nilly you might happen to get lucky once in a while and hit the ball, but how hard and how often?
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> > If you hold your hands against you chest and rotate, what do you get? A circular hand path. Yes, the "circular HAND path" is measured by the path the hands take. But what part did your hands have in that path? NONE. That is my point.
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> > The circular hand path is pretty much self explanatory, but how you get it is the question. The hands have NO active role in creating the circular hand path. They are put in a spot at launch, and they stay in that relationship to the body throughout the swing. The body rotation is what really causes the circular hand path.
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> > That is also why A-Rod is part linear (in fact probably the most linear of any good MLB hitter). His hands have an active role in his swing. They do not stay in the same relationship to the body.
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> No-name, I believe you are sincere but I'm afraid you are confused. Yes, the hands are "put in a spot at launch", but where they go from there is the issue.If they take a circular hand route the hands at some point will be farther fromm the chest than if they do not take a circular route.


At least in my mind I'm not confused. Maybe I didn't explain it well enough. First, let me try to re-explain. The circular hand path (CHP) is the path the hands take to the ball. But the hands themselves do not have an active role in creating the CHP. I refer back to my previous example where if you hold your hands still against your chest (or anywhere for that matter) and just rotate your body, there will be a CHP. My point is that the hands (and arms) do nothing but connect the body to the bat. Body rotation pulls the arms and hands, which in turn pull the bat.

Now a quick question for you. What is your point when you say:
"If they take a circular hand route the hands at some point will be farther fromm the chest than if they do not take a circular route"

I agree with that, but I don't see where your going, or what you're trying to show.

(this is No Name, but ray suggested a better name)