Posted by: rql () on Sun Mar 16 10:32:21 2003

My daughter 11,good ball player,had started doing rotational about 1.5 years ago with terrible results because she could not do it correctly[dropping hands,casting, pulling front shoulder out early,and it caused the head to go with the lead shoulder and their was disconnection of hands to the body.This came I believe because she focused on shoulder turn force and not hand and arm strength to keep connected,also the rear shoulder did not keep up with all the front shoulder turn so the barrel lagged behind body turn.Well we started thinking about hitting the other way waiting longer and driving back shoulder,which worked pretty good in the cage and when I had time to stay on her.Then she started letting the front side creep back in poorly and disrupt the swing.Now I have gone to a simple 2 phase cue that is all linear [take the knob to the ball with strong hands ,and keep front shoulder still and drive the back side through the front].What I have seen is the back side may have started to dominate a little more which I want outside but the inside pitch has the front shoulder working while staying in longer her head is staying in[big imo]she is making solid contact more and she is much more balanced.I think she took the rotation and ran with it to far and I have had to bring in linear to try to get the swing back where it belongs more even ,front and back side.Can someone point out the specific ideas that are taught to well heeled girls and how strength may affect them differently than boys.rql
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> > Have you asked her to drag her chin across her chest as she swings?(Really it's her chest moving under her chin)It's a good refresher for ike mike.It will be dificult for her to pull her head while feeling like her chin is grazing her jersey.If her chin ends up near her back shoulder and she has felt the "jersey move by" she has kept her head in.
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> How can the rear shoulder not keep up with the lead shoulder? Isn't this an "equal & opposite" absolute of physics? In Epstein's most recent article he says the head "does not stay down" and that when the ball is 10-12 feet from the plate you cannot make a mechanical adjustment anyway so it does not matter even if your eyes are closed.
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> On shoulder force or arm strength - it is both. I do not understand HOW you think shoulder turn can be the cause of disconnection IF you are connected to start with. If you are connected and you have the most violent shoulder turn possible that should not DISconnect you, should it. The turn in and of itself is not the culprit, or is it? Are you saying - all she did was pull with the front side and used no backside? How does going "linear" solve anything? If you mix and match you will be sorry, IMO.
> Georger,I did not say that shoulder turn was cause of disconnection,she cannot get connected to begin with, she drops her hands too much and cannot get on line with the ball.Her front shoulder seems to be doing all the work and dragging the back side around along with the disconnected hands and her head goes with the front shoulder turn.What my idea was is to get all the focus on the back side, try to forget the focus on the front and get the hands thinking of going forward faster,if I did this I was hoping that at some point if not right away I would get more even distribution with the hips and shoulders and keep them in longer and get the hands connected instead of lagging behind.She says she understands what I'm saying she just can't get her body to do it.